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Old 12-17-2001, 07:46 PM   #1
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ok, I know I have posted this before, but I never really got an answer. It all started one day when me and my friend got about a nickle and I can't remember how much we smoked, but after we smoked it I got a bad attack of paranoia and thinking I was gonna die. Well, when it wore off, I could still feel it, even today I still feel it. It feels like something is out of place, like sometimes things appear smaller or larger, and also I get dizzy a lot and things move that arent really moving. This has been going on since last april and I would just like to know how I could get rid of it, or know what it is. Also, I have not smoked anything since that day. Would starting again worsen the symptoms?
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Old 12-17-2001, 08:03 PM   #2
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Sorry about nobody replying before....I guess the reason would be that nobody knows the answers to your questions.

The paranoia about you feeling like you are going to die, well, it is common. I have had that feeling before, and did not like it. I had the privledge of having other people that I trusted around me to explain what I was going through. It went away. If I stop smoking for awhile (couple of weeks) I have the tendency to have the same type of feelings. I just know now that it is the weed and can ignore those feelings and enjoy.

Concerning the lingering effects.... Well... I have never heard of marijuana use leading to extended adverse effects. I would see a doctor if you feel that you are having problems. Weed doesn't do what you are saying that it did to you.

Would starting smoking again worsen the symptoms? In your case, probably... You already feel that marijuana is the cause of the problems (it isn't) so smoking again will probably increase your problems.

Marijuana doesn't mess up a normal person like the way you are talking. See a doctor and find out what the real problem is, unless you think that it could be caused by something else.

Let us know, Meth if you figure out what is causing the problems, again It aint Weed.

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Old 12-17-2001, 09:28 PM   #3
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well id like to start off by saying that i think marijuana has permenantly affected the way i view the world. i think i understand what you say when you say things seem different, because i look at somthing now, or just star into space(even at the tail end of a week long smoke break) and i just know im seeing things differently than before i had ever smoked. i dont however think this is negative, i view it as positive, everything looks just nice its not something i complain about. ive sort of taught myself to be able to create false shadows on walls or when looking at a tile pattern on say a bathroom floor. and as for the diziness? is it truly being dizzy like after you spin around 30 times(try it and compare) because i think i know the feeling youre talking about, and i dont mind that sensation either, like when i close my eyes i start to turn different directions in my mind. i dont call it dizzyness just spinnyness. it doesnt bother me and i can control wether it comes or not. well apart from all that im not in your situation so i cant give you any diffinitive answers as to what you're experiencing, but i can tell you what my situation is. i do know that after taking other drugs, yea the mind expanding ones whos names i dont think i should say, that for up to a few weeks after you can feel "depersonalized"(i think thats the correct term, anyone wanna let me know if im right?) where it feels like you're viewing the world through a lense, like youre not really there. note: i ve never done those other drugs or experienced that effect but i know its possible. maybe what you bought was laced with dried....psychedelic drugs(i highly doubt that though). just a few thoughts i hope someone can elaborate or confirm what my understanding is.
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Old 12-18-2001, 02:43 AM   #4
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Becoming a "stoner" has certainly affected my view on things for the better. I don't feel like my mind is physiologically different than before, though.

One thing you may want to look at: maybe your stuff was laced? There are plenty of things that can be slipped to you that will have long lasting residual effects. I won't post them here, since it'd be off topic, but if you want to correspond with me privately I'm at Ickis8@hotmail.com.

Another thing you may want to check into is certain brain chemical deficiencies. While such deficiencies might not be noticeable before introducing drugs into your system, certain drugs could do you the handy "favor" of pointing those out. Of course, Marijuana alone hasn't proven to have this sort of "baggage", but you never know; the human body is a complex thing.

Either way, good luck getting rid of any problems you have
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Old 12-18-2001, 06:26 AM   #5
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For the matter of permanently changing your life...

If it does, consider how it changed it and why that would be.

I don't think it's reasonable to say that you've got some consistent hallucinogenic that's constantly coursing through your veins. If that were the case, then a lot of people would be lining up to have what you're having.

A more likely answer is that you can recall the way you were able to look at the world while high, and have retained some of these methods of thinking out of the box. I truly believe that people who have smoked have the gift of looking at the world in a way that non-smokers just can't appreciate. For me, it's a temporary step outside of the box. I eventually have to go back into the box, but I still can remember and apply ways of thinking that I learned while I was outside the box.

Man, if I didn't know better, I'd say I was high right now looking at what I just typed But it all comes from having been out there and keeping the experience forever.
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Old 12-18-2001, 09:48 PM   #6
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292.89 Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder

The essential feature of Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (Flashbacks) is the transient recurrence of disturbances in perception thaat are reminescent of those experienced during one or more earlier Hallucinogen Intoxications. The person must have had no recent Hallucinogen Intoxication and must show no current drug toxicity (Criterion A). This reexperienceing of perceptual symptoms causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning (Criterion B). The symptoms are not due to a general medical condition (e.g., anatomical lesions and infections of the brain or visual epilepsies) and are not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g., delerium, dementia, or Schizophrenia) or by hypnopompic hallucinations (Criterion C). The perceptual disturbances may include geometric forms, peripheral-field images, flashes of color, intensified colors, trailing images (images left suspended in the path of a moving object as seen in stroboscopic photography), perceptions of entire objects, afterimages (a same-colored or complementary-colored "shadow" of an object remaining after the removal of the object), halos around objects, macropsia, and micropsia. The abnormal perceptions that are associated with Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder occur episodically and may be self-induced (e.g., by thinking about them) or triggered by entry into a dark environment, various drugs, anxiety or fatigue, or other stressors. The episodes may abate after several months, but many persons report persisting episodes for 5 years or longer. Reality testing remains intact (i.e., the person realizes that the perception is a drug effect and does not represent external reality). In contrast, if the person has a delusional interpretation concerning the etiology of the perceptual disturbance, the appropriate diagnosis would be Psychotic Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.

Diagnostic criteria for 292.89 Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder

A. The re-experiencing, following cesssation of use of a hallucinogen, of one or more of the perceptual symptoms that were experienced while intoxicated wiht the hallucinogen (e.g., geometric hallucinations, false perceptions of movement in the peripheral visual fields, flashes of colors, intensified colors, trails of images of moving objects, positive afterimages, halos around objects, macropsia, and micropsia.

B. The symptoms in Criterion A cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

C. The symptoms are not due to a general medical condition (e.g., anatomical lesions and infections of the brain, visual epilepsies) and are not better accounted for another mental disorder (e.g., delerium, dementia, Schizophrenia) or hypnopompic hallucinations.
The disorder described above is referred to as HPPD, and it thought to be a real medic condition by some, and BS by others. Assuming that HPPD is a real medical condition, and that in the EXTRMELY rare circumstances that it could be brought on by smoking marijuana at all, and in your case -- only once...then you should see a doctor and talk to him about the possibilities of this disorder, or other brain possible brain chemical imbalances. Let me say again that people predisposed to this condition are those who frequent the land of strong psychoactives.

The question is now: have you taken any other mind altering substances, and do you feel your condition fits the descritption of common HPPD symtoms. I HIGHLY doubt that this condition could be brought on by weed alone, especially only smoking once, but I am not one to say it isn't possible.

For more information on this condition, visit the HPPD website at: http://www.stormloader.com/hppd/
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Old 12-18-2001, 11:33 PM   #7
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so if i started smoking weed again, it would make it worse or no? and no, i havnt had any other drugs, but i think it was laced.
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Old 12-19-2001, 01:21 AM   #8
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Using other drugs wouldn't necessarily make it "worse" per se, but if it is HPPD (you beat me to that one, LordIcer ) then smoking could make the feeling recur.

I strongly doubt that MJ alone would cause HPPD, but HPPD in itself is a big debate amongst hallucinogen users, so I'm with LordIcer on that opinion.

There's a lot of info on hallucinogens and HPPD at www.erowid.org if you think it might be worth checking into.

With my previous post, I didn't mean that you might still have a hallucinogen in your system, I was just referring to a number of drugs that can make ya feel a bit "funny" afterwards. Just thought I'd clarify that a bit if my meaning was taken wrong

If you do feel disabled or uncomfortable with the feelings you're now experiencing, my advice is to seek medical help. Usually after-effects of drugs wear off pretty quickly, and if they don't it could be a sign of a more serious problem. Of course, explaining to your doctor what happened can be embarrassing, but weigh your options and see what you come up with.

I personally think it sucks that people would lace perfectly good pot with other drugs, and it REALLY sucks that you might not even know what it's laced with. If you're still in contact with the person that sold you that stuff, you might want to ask him outright. I sure as hell would.
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Old 12-27-2001, 09:11 AM   #9
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hmm i dont know dude maybe you have a mental disorder and marijuana amplifies it because marijuana amplifies how youre feelin like if youre feelin hppy you will get silly and giggly etc... i as the one dude said you should prolly take it up with a doctor either that or youre realy burnt out man hope you get better dude
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Old 01-08-2002, 03:17 AM   #10
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I have these symptoms also. And I have talked to others the same way. You are not alone man.
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