justchillin2

i was thinking a few minutes ago about thc being the main active substance in pot, are there other forms of it. now i know that with other drugs like lsd, lsa is similar, but not the same(please i hope im not off topic there just using an analogy) now i was wondering, we've got thc from marijuana, do other plants contain....th....(insert random letter here) tetrahydrocannibonal(hahadunno if thats right) might be similar in effect to tetrahydrodetroal(made up chemical) but if it was real, would thD be similar in effect to thc on the brain but perhaps not illegal? so my question simply put is, are there other forms of thc that are similar in effect but perhaps not illegal like thc is.
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oh wait ive got more to that question, but i wanna make it seperate.. now marijuana is technically cannabis sativa, correct? well then how come you have indica and sativa buds, is some marijuana really cannabis indica but noone ever uses that specific plant name to call pot by(one of) its scientific names?


3rd and final part...i remember reading a while ago but i cant find anything on it now...about a 3rd type of cannabis, something that started with an r, (cannabis r.........umpelstiltskin?haha)but cant think of the name. so how come we never hear or can buy/grow this kind of marijuana, any information would be cool.

if any of that was confusing please ask me to rephrase it or give some more details.

thanks guys. peace.

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Mamabudz

THC = tetrohydrocannabinol is specifically the molecule as bonded in cannabinol. There is no simialr adjunct in the plant kingdom

The three types base cannabis strains are: indica, sativa and ruderalis. Each strain has different characteristics and the ruderalis has the lowest percentage of THC.

HitTheHammeR

a lil background to those who wonder why we never see it...

its a very very very short and low yielding cannabis plant, with less potency then indica or sativa, and it originated on the foot of siberia... due to the weird photogenic conditions out there, the plant is an auto-flowering variety, which means it doesnt use light to trigger bud developement, rather it is just a gene that starts the flowering... which kinda means less control for all of ur homegrowers

despite all this... some of the seed companies out there still cross ruderalis with strains like NL, the only cross that comes to mind right now is... twisted 4 or something like that... (anyone know it?)
i just remember that there were 4 strains crossed into it, and one was ruderalis... lol

any followup questions on todays lesson, class? lol

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HitTheHammeR

oh... and to respond to the original question at hand...

dude, there are all types of naturally produced chemicals similar to THC, our brain produces one in particular very similar to the structural makeup of THC, its called adenine ... serves a lot of different purposes throughout the body

and i once had a friend tell me that just about every plant produced a chemical similar to THC ... i wouldnt know how accurate that information is tho, so dont take it to heart

meth975

lol, when i was younger i would roll up leaves and smoke them, id just pick them off a tree or something.

LordIcer

That must have been some pretty harsh smoke!

Hammer: Is it common for many potent buds to have the flowering gene opposed to the 12/12 light need from the sun to flower?

HitTheHammeR

well... to respond to icer's question

the only classification of cannabis that has this auto-flower feature has been ruderalis, naturally because the light is so much different in the far north... as u would see in norway or what have u

the more potent buds can be found in conditions where growing cannabis indica or sativa can be said to be more favorable... this is where u will usually find a 12/12 mix of light and dark sometime before late summer where it would be possible for seeds to maturely develop and drop thus providing next year's cannabis plot (in terms of non-human grown cannabis)

generally, there is a coorelation between intensity of light, amount of buds produced, and potency of the herb... seeing that sativa plants grow very tall producing semi-dense/fluffy buds, indicas will usually grow more towards a short stalky plant with usually one THICK main cola... and ruderalis in relationship to the other two will be much shorter than indica, providing small and not very potent buds... these growth patterns all contributing to the indigenous(sp?) areas where these plants first developed... (of course to understand it more fully, factor in all the indigenous variables of growth... temperatures at day/night, natural animals/consumers in the area that can cause stress, etc...)

in all that rambling... hopefully i cleared up the question

HitTheHammeR

wait... lol
let me provide my definite theory...
i would say no
not to say that this auto flowering feature wouldnt be useful to breed into other plants (if possible, not really sure, but i think it would be a lot of work isolating the gene) but i think that the only conclusion one could make when hearing that a cannabis plant is autoflowering is that it must not be that potent... due to all the variables the plant will have to put up with as a result

and generally here, were talking ruderalis
of course, there are some seed-banks crossing ruderalis... but who knows whether or not the offspring of the cross will carry this auto-flowering feature... it all really depends on whether or not this gene is dominant...

Mamabudz

The only benefit I can surmise would be stature... a smaller more compact plant is easier for a home grow...

HOWEVER, it is better for a homegrow to have the opportunity of controlling the time of flowering by lowering the lighting to a 12/12 cycle of light to dark so my thinking is that the botanists have a lot of crossbreeding ahead of them...

Then again these botanists have come up with some outstanding genetic creations in the past so watch out

Since this thread has gone waaaay off subject and has mved into the Cultivation arena, I'll point everyone who is interested in this topic over to CULTIVATION (look up on thew upper right of your screen in the beige bar and you will see the word "Cultivation"...it pops you right over to the cultivation server at www.hempcultivation.com.



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