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ADR531 · 06-22-2002, 01:54 AM

Six dead after smoking hash (Dagsavisen)
The myth that smoking hash does not pose a health hazard has been exploded. The National Institute of Forensic Toxicology has revealed that in the course of the last six years, six Norwegians have died as a direct result of smoking hash. "We have made an astonishing discovery," said Jørg Mørland, who heads the Institute. "It is widely known that smoking hash makes the heart work harder, and raises the individual’s blood pressure. But that someone has died as a direct result of smoking has is completely new to us. And these findings have also been greeted by surprise in the international community," said Mr Mørland. "Post-mortems show that the six people concerned did not have any other substances in their bodies than THC, which is the active substance in cannabis. The individuals did not even have particularly high concentrations of THC in their bodies when they died. Nor are there indications that the individuals were more predisposed to cardio-vascular diseases than normal. These findings are also surprising.

i found this at http://odin.dep.no/odin/engelsk/nytt...000-b-n-a.html

interesting, and i beleive it. i've had some intense trips on some blond hash and who knows. maybe it's true that it really increases ur heart rate and blood pressure.

TheCleric · 06-22-2002, 02:24 AM

Cleric

06-22-2002, 03:20 AM

ADR531, I have also had a bad experience with hash one time...I think it could have been simply from being so high only a year and a half or so into smoking and this was probably the highest I had ever been up to that point. I'd been high, but not that high, damn!
http://cheaptalk.marijuana.com/420/s...&threadid=6267

hmmm...scary thought though. I smoked a ton of hash back in the day.

Peace!

High as a kite, and lovin' the flight.

06-22-2002, 04:07 PM

why didnt they say anything before, and now they're coming out with this????

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Originally posted by ADR531
Six dead after smoking hash (Dagsavisen)
The myth that smoking hash does not pose a health hazard has been exploded. The National Institute of Forensic Toxicology has revealed that in the course of the last six years, six Norwegians have died as a direct result of smoking hash. "We have made an astonishing discovery," said Jð²§*Mð²¬¡nd, who heads the Institute. "It is widely known that smoking hash makes the heart work harder, and raises the individualÂ’s blood pressure. But that someone has died as a direct result of smoking has is completely new to us. And these findings have also been greeted by surprise in the international community," said Mr Mð²¬¡nd. "Post-mortems show that the six people concerned did not have any other substances in their bodies than THC, which is the active substance in cannabis. The individuals did not even have particularly high concentrations of THC in their bodies when they died. Nor are there indications that the individuals were more predisposed to cardio-vascular diseases than normal. These findings are also surprising.

i found this at http://odin.dep.no/odin/engelsk/nytt...000-b-n-a.html

interesting, and i beleive it. i've had some intense trips on some blond hash and who knows. maybe it's true that it really increases ur heart rate and blood pressure.

ikari · 06-22-2002, 05:06 PM

This is pretty interesting. I hope it isn't true.

However, you have to wonder why all were in Norway.
Maybe there was some bad hash or something, otherwise you probably would have heard of deaths like these other places??

I dunno, just a thought

Panama · 06-22-2002, 05:12 PM

The Norwegian Ministry of Health and Social Affairs was broken up into the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Social Affairs, so finding a reference as to their stance on marijuana is not going to be easy, but I will try. What I have found is that although the Norwegian people seem to favor decriminalization/legalization the government is opposed. As you can see from the quote below taken from the National Institute of Forensic Toxicology website main page you can see they're a government funded entity.

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From the The National Institute of Forensic Toxicology website:

The National Institute of Forensic Toxicology (NIFT) is a national, State authorized laboratory for forensic toxicological work in Norway. NIFT is staffed with approximately 100 people, of whom two also hold positions as Professors at the University of Oslo. From 1996 the Institute is accredited by Norwegian Accreditation as testing laboratory according to the requirements of NS-EN 45001 and ISO/IEC Guide 25.

Objective:

The analysis of samples with respect to alcohol, drugs (medicinal and illegal) and poisons in biological fluids on request from the police, criminal investigators, forensic pathologists, and occupational, social and child welfare services. The analytical results are usually interpreted and commented. SRI submits expert statements concerning forensic toxicology to the courts. Methodological and other relevant research is done.

Present research:

Biomedical research on alcohol and drugs of abuse. Development of methods for the analysis of alcohol, drugs and poisons. Projects on epidemiological research with respect to alcohol and drugs of abuse.

Sources of funds:

Ministry of Health and Social Affairs

Income from requesting parties for certain services

I find this interesting. It is a reponse written when the article first appeared on the MAPS site:

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This is a very limited report.

Circumstances surrounding the death of these six people are important but neglected. Their reactivity to common adverse reactions to THC such as panic attacks is not covered. How people cope with adverse reactions can contribute to their outcome.

Also, their general physical condition, among many other possible explanations, could have contributed. For example, the possibility of a lung condition aggravated by smoke inhalation is not mentioned.

Finally, whenever I see the word "proof", a huge question mark lights up between me and the statement made. I have seen actual proof of very little in this world. As soon as something is shown to be true, alternate explanations arise. I think Darwin might have had some things to say here. Diversity is the key to evolution, not proof of some absolute truth.

I'd be curious for more information on deaths directly connected with use ofhash.

Kym Alan Dawson, PhD
Biopsychologist/clinician

Herb Ninja · 06-24-2002, 07:22 PM

They didn't say natural cannabis, this is hash. I think hash has impuritys, and thats what may have killed these people. This is just my opinion though.

DoritosMan · 06-25-2002, 03:04 PM

or they couldnt handle the buzz

I think it had to be laced or something. It going to be hard to prove a marijuana over dose.

Fly_to_the_moon · 06-27-2002, 02:04 AM

Because an LD50 on MJ is literilly impossible

ikari · 06-27-2002, 03:20 AM

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Originally posted by Fly_to_the_moon
Because an LD50 on MJ is literilly impossible

That's a good point.

From what we currently know you can't really OD from it... so i wonder what happened... maybe our current research is wrong? seems unlikely tho..

06-22-2002, 01:54 AM	#1
ADR531 Jr. Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 465 Grams: 930.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	possible to die from smoking? Six dead after smoking hash (Dagsavisen) The myth that smoking hash does not pose a health hazard has been exploded. The National Institute of Forensic Toxicology has revealed that in the course of the last six years, six Norwegians have died as a direct result of smoking hash. "We have made an astonishing discovery," said Jørg Mørland, who heads the Institute. "It is widely known that smoking hash makes the heart work harder, and raises the individual’s blood pressure. But that someone has died as a direct result of smoking has is completely new to us. And these findings have also been greeted by surprise in the international community," said Mr Mørland. "Post-mortems show that the six people concerned did not have any other substances in their bodies than THC, which is the active substance in cannabis. The individuals did not even have particularly high concentrations of THC in their bodies when they died. Nor are there indications that the individuals were more predisposed to cardio-vascular diseases than normal. These findings are also surprising. i found this at http://odin.dep.no/odin/engelsk/nytt...000-b-n-a.html interesting, and i beleive it. i've had some intense trips on some blond hash and who knows. maybe it's true that it really increases ur heart rate and blood pressure.

06-22-2002, 02:24 AM	#2
TheCleric Novice Healer Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 2,377 Grams: 2,858.10 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Thread Moved - Health and Medicine Cleric

06-22-2002, 05:06 PM	#5
ikari Seasoned Activist Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,156 Grams: 2,620.55 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	This is pretty interesting. I hope it isn't true. However, you have to wonder why all were in Norway. Maybe there was some bad hash or something, otherwise you probably would have heard of deaths like these other places?? I dunno, just a thought __________________ we barely remember who or what came before this precious moment, we are choosing to be here right now. hold on, stay inside...

06-25-2002, 03:04 PM	#8
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06-22-2002, 03:20 AM	#3
Hydrocronics Posts: n/a Grams: 0 [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	ADR531, I have also had a bad experience with hash one time...I think it could have been simply from being so high only a year and a half or so into smoking and this was probably the highest I had ever been up to that point. I'd been high, but not that high, damn! http://cheaptalk.marijuana.com/420/s...&threadid=6267 hmmm...scary thought though. I smoked a ton of hash back in the day. Peace! High as a kite, and lovin' the flight.

06-24-2002, 07:22 PM	#7
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06-27-2002, 02:04 AM	#9
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