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Old 07-18-2002, 11:16 AM   #1
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Question MJ for depreshon

My wife has terible depreshon

We went on vacation and I got her stoned for her very first time .I was wondering if the people who are in chrge would add depreashon to the list??



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Old 07-18-2002, 09:25 PM   #2
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im not in charge, but i would add it to the list. Marijuana is a mood amplifier, if you're feeling good, weed will make you feel better, on the other hand if you're feeling depressed, marijuana will magnify these feelings and make them more apparent and you'll probably think about them more. Now most people would see this as bad, but the way i see it is : things must get worse before they can get better. I think weed will allow you to assess your feelings better and deal with them in a positive manner, but you have to be open and accepting. So what i'm saying is if you use it right, use it as a tool, you can work through your problems, but don't expect it to cure depression, it's just there to help if you're ready.

now take this with a grain of salt because they're simply my opinions.
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Old 07-18-2002, 09:42 PM   #3
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Get her on medication like the rest of us.
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Old 07-19-2002, 03:38 AM   #4
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Default I use it for my depression

along with other, non medicine treatments. I have used other anti-depressants, but nothing works like marijuana. Even in my deepest depression, I am able to eat and sometimes laugh after smoking a bowl. I also do my best to control my thought pattern and stay active, even if minimally. Although I don't recommend using it alone, the only "cure" for depression is to find the cause and work on that, if there is one at all.

If the depression is situational, ie: death in the family, loss of a job, it may be resolved with counseling, or psychotherapy. Anti-depressants may aide, each person is there own, but talking things out would be my first suggestion.

If it's seasonal, ie: only in the winter, when daylight hours are shorter, there is light therepy available, as well as other treatments available.

If it's a chemical imbalance, ie: no other cause is found, heredity plays a big role, there are a lot of different medications that take up to 6 weeks to begin working. It can take a while, but if you have the patience, and time to experiment, you might be able to find a suitable "legal" medication that will work effectively.

Now, like I said, I use it for my depression wich is generally mild, but constant. It runs in my family. Personally, I tried some of the medications, and found the side effects or withdrawls to be either harsh, or they didn't or stopped working for me. (Those that I have tried, were only a few though.) I've been smoking for 8 years now, depressed for 13.

Just remember, marijuana wont solve your problems, you will eventually raise your tollerance requiring breaks from it, or more for it to be effective. Also, there are some anti-depressants that have no interaction with marijuana, while a few (tricyclic) do. (Always be open with your dr. about what drugs you are using, its important for your health.) Since most anti-depressants do not interact with mj, you may be able to use them safely together. (Another note, don't use mj while you are finding the right RX for you, it will make it dificult to be sure which drug is having the effect, if not both.)

Depression is serious, and I hope your wife has a dr she is comfortable talking with. I applaud you for your suppport for her, and researching her medical options. Good Luck!!

P.S. I'm not in charge, but I am a member of the staff. What "list" are you talking about?
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Old 07-19-2002, 06:42 AM   #5
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Just some advice: its never a good idea to use ANY inebriant, be it alcohol, marijuana, or a number of off topic substances, is NOT healthy. If she has depression, the only healthy way to fully and truly cure the problem is by therapy, drugs such as Prozac, or, as is the case with many people, a combination of both.
Now I know what you may be thinking by now...isn't Prozac a mood-altering drug as well? Well, yes, it is, but on a much more subtle level, and prozac is definetely not a euphoriant (as opposed to weed.) Please, be very careful - treating any sort of emotional distress with recreational drugs of any sort is a very dangerous practice because it usually leads to STRONG psychological dependence - ie the brain comes to associate weed and happiness together. Very volatile.

So what would I suggest?

Get her to see a competent therapist. Wait a few months, and when it seems like she's near full recovery (and only then!), incorporate marijuana into the mix.

Just some advice from someone who's seen the nasty path psychological addiction can take when you use a rec. drug (however soft it may be) to treat emotional distress...
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Old 07-19-2002, 09:43 AM   #6
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So what i'm saying is if you use it right, use it as a tool, you can work through your problems, but don't expect it to cure depression, it's just there to help if you're ready.
Well said.

AndieBear had some good thoughts too.

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Old 07-19-2002, 03:32 PM   #7
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Default On the subject of depression...

Though the medical community would be terribly afraid of lawsuits for using it today....

One of the most effective treatments for depression & anxiety was oral administration of opiates. In addition to which they have a mild anti psychotic effect. This was in use till about the 60's, still fairly common in the 50's. The effectiveness of this treatment blows drugs like prozac out of the water. Opiates 60% above placebo ...Prozac 14% above placebo. Effexor 17% above placebo (and it has a slight bit of dopagenic action).
Or in real teams:Opiates 85% of patients had improvement..Prozac 30% Effexor 32%.

The thing drugs like Effexor, Prozac and Paxil are really effective at is controlling anxiety. I know people who benefitted from them, but I know plenty of people who didn't and a few who ended up with some severe damage from them.

I honestly can't see the medical objection to using opiates over them. The SSRI's & SSNRI's they currently use all cause some pretty massive changes in every system of the brain. If they were illegal they would cite this as brain damage. Both have been shown to be neurotoxic. If you look at the brains of people who are very heavy users of MDMA ...and look at the brains of patients taking Prozac at 8 weeks of use - you would be hard pressed to tell a difference. Go search the back issues of Scientific American & Science Magazine...they have pictures of both. In addition to which, all of them exhibit signs of tolerance, and severe withdrawal if use is discontinued abruptly.

One other word of caution about the new class of psychiatric drugs: Many of the side effects they list can in fact persist when you stop taking the drug. It's not completely uncommon for adverse effects like: tinnitis(ringing in the ears caused by Effexor), male sexual dysfunction, excessive sweating, and akenisas to still be occuring months or even years after stopping treatment. If they printed that warning on the package a lot fewer patients would be compliant with the treatment and a lot fewer doctors would be willing to prescribe them. Unfortunately, the FDA has been slow as hell to put appropriate warnings on them. They list those side effects ...but never state that they have a high likelihood of persisting with discontinuation of the drugs.


As far as marijuana curing depression ...Not likely. Least not more than a few hours. It's pretty effective for some other things like relaxing muscles, promoting sleep, ending nausea...but it's not going to "cure" depression.



I don't think the AMA or scientific community is going to jump on the 'truth' bandwagon any time soon and put the money up for some highly controlled and more modern experiments than the ancient ones I cited. It's still too controversial.
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Old 07-19-2002, 05:02 PM   #8
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The thing drugs like Effexor, Prozac and Paxil are really effective at is controlling anxiety. I know people who benefitted from them, but I know plenty of people who didn't and a few who ended up with some severe damage from them.

I take effexor but am still having an anxiety attack right as we speak. My chest feels all tight and I cant stop worrying. But I think I will bump up the dose, good information though. I did not know all that about opiates.

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As far as marijuana curing depression ...Not likely. Least not more than a few hours. It's pretty effective for some other things like relaxing muscles, promoting sleep, ending nausea...but it's not going to "cure" depression.

When I'm depressed, sometimes I use marijuana for it but then it only makes me realize that I'm just masking my problems and in turn makes it all even worse. I would never recommend using a mood-intensifier(especially one like marijuana that taps directly into the brain's emotion section and fiddles with it) for depression. Ever.
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