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Abomonog

49 States say it is illegal to have sex if your under 18, the ferderal law still says 12 is the legal age. This is because such a restriction has no benefite for the federal gevoernment. This entire war is about control, not drugs. When you all figure this out you will realise that no matter how many states have legalized, the Feds will still consider MJ illegal and act accordingly.

You totally missed the point. Locals can press charges on a federal level anytime they want, but thats besides the point. The ruling means that no medical defence for distribution charges on any level what-so-ever. In many states if you so much as possess 2 rolled joints, you are guilty of dealing. Why bother for a conviction when you can use beurocracy to delay a trial 2 years or more? Meanwhile the patient will probably die in a holding cell waiting for trial.

Who said the Feds will be doing the arresting? If you think the Co-ops are the real targets you got another thing coming. Busting a few co-ops will hardly keep the money flowing in, but a few thousand users every month on dealing charges will keep the prisons full and the kickbacks a rolling in. You'll see.

Uh... Which branch. FBI, CIA, or CID?
I've been raided by the FBI twice in a decade. Bith times for pot, both times I had so little it was laughable. (I'm talking like less than a gram.) Why me? Because, to certain people, busting someone like me, who gets in the faces of judges and asks those hard questions to politicians at press conferences, makes for great PR. BTW: I'm no drug dealer, never have been. The formula for getting the attention of the Feds is simple: stick up for yourself at every infraction of your rights and do it loudly. It's a war for control, not a drug war.

In every state in this country, growing always translates into an extra distribution charge. Need I say more?


Again you miss the point. I'm talking about the kind of fighting you only see on the history channel. Not untill it has been shown that we will stand up for ourselves and are willing to sacrifice all for our cause will we gain a true support. All we have to do is stand up in Washington and not back down.
It's guranteed one of 2 things will happen.

1: We will win and everyone will benefit or,
2: Uncle Sam will show his true colors and gun us all down.
Of course with such a large crowd the second action would probably mean the beginning of the end for our government.



You all want to write letters? I got tired of writing letters over 2 years ago. They never get past the secretaries. People claim we're winning because Europe is legalizing and Many states are passing their own Medical MJ laws. We are not winning. I can guarantee a series of federal laws under the Bush administration that will not only block the current initiatives but will also block any attempt to legalize under popular vote. Got to say it again: It's not a drug war, it's a war about control. Our leaders care not one wit weather our children grow up to be scientists or druggies or mass murderers. All they care about is power, and money lining their pockets.

 

awalkinthegrass

You obviously sound like you know what you are talking about. The comment that they pay attention to those who are vocal was impressive, and also that you have been raided twice in response to expressing your views.

It's interesting what we've set up in this country. But keep in mind that while Vietnam was of planetary importance to our self-image and making billions for the government and other private enterprises, eventually the futility and stupidity of the war forced them to abandon everything they had hoped for. Eventually, with the rest of the civilized world moving in the right direction, and the states decriminalizing one by one, I believe that they will realize that they don't have any support, that they are the lone boy in the forest crying wolf at his own shadow. They will step down out of embarrassment and public and media pressure. It might take a while, but it is coming to that.

They will never gun us all down. Put us in prison, take our lives away from us, take our property, yes, but they will never recreate another Kent State massacre. And there are plenty of people who are being very vocal about this issue who are being ignored by them. I don't know your story, and I don't need to hear it in this public forum, but I would be very surprised if it was not a complex combination of social circumstances that predisposed you to so much snooping and effort on the part of federal agencies.

-Paul

Abomonog

Well I do have a credential that is most likely unique among everyone here. I am a 3 time ex-federal employee. I know how the cog turns because I used to help turn it.


So then we have nothing to fear. If we took a stand, similar to the one I drew, we would win. The government would be either forced to legalize or commit another massacre.
That was the bet made in '29 and I'm making it now.

As for my story, Most of it can be read on some of the front pages of the Chicago Tribune and the Satasota Sun-Herald.
Usually for hollaring at a judge or polotician.

For anyone who miscalculates the impact and scope of the Drug War. A friend of mine was killed by Chicago police nearly 20 years ago. She was unarmed. So who would know, 20 years later, another friend would be blown away by CIA order in a plane over Peru. Yup, she lived a block from my workplace. Only met the lady 3 times and I can't even remember her name offhand but she still did not need to die.
Uncle Sam calls it acceptable collateral damage, I do not.
BTW: The official tally of innocent deaths due to the drug war is now....2. Thats right folks. The government statistics show that in 14 years of active drug war polocies only 2 uninvolved people have died, and none on American soil.
Expect to start hearing this as propoganda starting in 2003, after everyone has forgotten about Peru. Notice the country is conspicously absent from the news in this last month.

Ahh well sleep time. Will add more later.

Just to be fair to you Aussies out there and I might as well mention it here as anywhere:

I know the first 3 letters of my name (Abo) is a racial epitath for Aborigonies. (I didn't know it when I came up with the name) If you feel that using the first 3 letters is insulting, 'Nog will do just fine.

SirSmokesAlot

WOW! Niteshift, That is what I have been thinking for the last year or so. Med in 5, Rec in 10. I think there is a whole different kind of person coming into political power in the very near future. A kind that has experienced Marijuana and its effects first hand. One that recognizes the lies.

We're clearing out all of the old fogies who are hanging tough. You know, the ones who grew up in the depression, when Marijuana was "The Devil's Weed with Roots in Hell!!" Its a whole new world we live in, and once they lose power and office, Once they are tucked away in their nursing home beds with not a care in the world but that little morphine drip button...

We shall overcome!

Rev0x

It has been 64 years since pot was banned. The alcohol prohibition was only one third that. But if you consider that drinking is a human ritual that goes back millennia, whereas recreational marijuana use before the turn of the century was unheard of, then it makes perfect sense. People aren't as concerned about pot prohibition as they were with alcohol prohibition, but finally, after 64 years there is a lot of progress being made, and not just gradual progress either; the matter is accelerating. Through the internet and the media channels both sides are making their points, except for their points are 64 years old whereas ours are completely new. In fact the excuses for pot prohibition are becming so redundant that people ARE starting to notice what's up; pot use is slightly increasing last time I checked, but whatever, 95% of all statistics are bull**** right?

In any regard, the drug war is setting the scene for a collapse on itself... The recent appointment of that drug czar by Bush is going to get nothing but criticism, and the whole drug war is going to backfire because people are starting to realize now for the first time that not only is it NOT WORKING but it's having the reverse effect... Marijuana's legal status is not scaring people away from smoking it anymore than people are scared of smoking tobacco, which was legal last time I checked. People who don't advocate marijauana use are starting to compare its harmful effects to alcohol which is a vast improvement from 1937 when Anslinger said it caused murder-like tendencies in people and turned them into animals. It's only a matter of time before science prevails and politicians realize the people won't support them if they don't change their minds, then it will be a full and complete backfire. In fact I'm more concerned about a rebound effect in political policy that might hurt those that wish to see marijuana regulated once it's becomes legal.

 

mirage

at least canada is waking up and starting LEGIT talks about marijuana and other drugs, that will effect other european countries. the usa cant lie forever or act like its in denile.

Abomonog

So you think so? I hope your right. The new fogies are from my generation. We got to see such wonderful things as 'Nam and Watergate through the eyes of a child. We also grew up in the decade of Vanity (the 80's) where a child was a liability.
We were also taught the authority is the final rule and must be obeyed at all costs.

If the psycological theory proves true our newest generation of leaders will become draconian to a level never before achieved. Our current batch of leaders have already proved the theory true by Amplifying the abuses suffered from Mc.Carthyism into programs that utilises model presented in Nazi Germany. The most popular of these being the Hitler Youth model, utilised in DARE and PAL programs. What will these children become?


Another thing that people are forgetting is the fact that today there are now prisons for profit. Private corporations are now running nearly 3/4's of US prisons and the corporations are owned by the politicians themselves. There is also a disturbing trend of families in politics. With Papa already having spent time in the White house George W. Bush has no buisiness even running. This smacks of a royal progression going on. When the politicians have a vested interest in keeping prisons full, laws that have a chance of emptying them are more problematic than the posibility of losing the next election.
On top of this legalization would mean the instant release of a half a million prisoners around the country and the firing of approxamately 20,000 prison guards.

There is also the fact that legalization would blow our stranglehold on undeveloped countries and the South American nations. Better to imprison people here than face angry leaders wanting US troops out of their countries. Especially when you want them to stay.

Finally, there are the industrial empires who don't want legalization. Du-pont is the single largest industrial corporation in the world. They have a hand in 90% of industrial projects in America. They depend entirely on synthetics, most of which is easily replacable with hemp based products. Du-pont and other such corporations would suffer greatly from legalizations and they supply almost all campaign money for our politicians.
Nope, can't upset them.

On the Pharmasuitical side of industry, MJ is unpantentable. If you look at the Drug Schedual you will see that all schedual 1 drugs, with the exception of heroin, is unpatentable. The fact is, patentability is a large part of the schedualling prossess. Drugs that are patentable are much more likely to recieve a schedual 2 or 3 ranking despite being merely a high tech placebo. Ritalin is a good example of this. Perscribed to hyperactive children for years Ritalin is actually an amphetimine cocktail that, even with doctor approved usage, over the long term, causes extensive and permanent sleeping disabilities. However, it's industry is worth billions and today it is the most widely perscribed drug in pediatrics today. I'm actually suprised it hasn't become a street drug. It's very easy to obtain, and, when found in a raid, police don't even look at it twice.

Like I said, I hope your right. But my belief is that there will a near civil war befor mj is legal.