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Tally-Ho · 02-06-2008, 09:05 AM

I was surprised when i heard my from my shrink that people that smoke pot around an hour or 2 bed before bed will (sorry if i am not phrasing this correctly), do not reach the REM stage of sleep.

I would have thought quite the opposite, although its does make sense to me. But im still skeptical...

**troublemaker_42** · 02-06-2008, 10:13 AM

I find this hard to believe. I feel as if I sleep better when I have weed. I know LACK of weed can give me mild to moderate insomnioa if I've been smoking many days in a row. However, I haven't noticed any indication that smoking pot negatively affects my sleep patterns in any way. Of course, I'm sure the body becomes habituated to certain things, and sleeping while "high" may be one those things.

**Lit_Match** · 02-06-2008, 02:33 PM

Agree with TM, there was a time in my life when for over 6 months I had three jobs, two of them were very labor intensive. I did smoke cannabis daily during that time and believe me, if lack of REM sleep was really a side affect of cannabis use I wouldn't have lasted more than a couple weeks with the amount of work I was doing (with no real days off to speak of to boot).

**Vicki** · 02-06-2008, 02:40 PM

I know I am having REM sleep, because I remember dreaming, and I vap daily, right up to the time I go to sleep. I don't believe this is true at all. Of course, he has no research to base his assessment, but I believe my personal experience shows it is not true.

**Dark** · 02-06-2008, 04:29 PM

Well it may happen in some people, I can believe it.

Many say they dream very vivid when they go to bed stoned, but I'm quite the opposite. I love remembering my dreams, and I remember at least 2 or 3 a night if I'm sober, but when I'm stoned I don't remember any of my dreams. I also feel much more fatigued in the morning if I'm stoned while I go to bed, but I just always contributed that to a burnout type effect. Losing some of my REM cycle would also explain that.
I'll experiment a little with my next bag, see if my sleep is improved if I don't smoke right before bed.

ADIDAS · 02-06-2008, 08:23 PM

This CANNOT be true. I am one of those who smokes every night before I go to bed, and indeed, I do not wake up remembering my dreams at all. BUT, Im 99% sure that we would go insane if we didnt reach the REM stage. It is a necessary part of living, even though we arent completely sure as to why we dream.

**Dark** · 02-06-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ADIDAS

BUT, Im 99% sure that we would go insane if we didnt reach the REM stage. It is a necessary part of living, even though we arent completely sure as to why we dream.

Well alcohol makes REM sleep unattainable, at least for the first few hours after you go to sleep, so alcoholics go through much of their sleep without REM. I don't see how it's so hard to think that pot could do the same.

Buzzby · 02-06-2008, 09:06 PM

I have a condition that causes me to get nothing but REM sleep unless I take special measures. Getting nothing but REM sleep is not very restful and contributes to a tendency to fall asleep suddenly at inappropriate times (narcolepsy).

I find that smoking before bed does suppress REM sleep, which is what I want it to do. The doctor was half-right. The half he got wrong is that it only suppresses REM sleep for a couple of hours - until the high would normally wear off. This enables me to get at least one cycle of deep, restful sleep every night. There are other drugs that suppress REM sleep, but they are longer acting and leave me feeling "doped up" in the morning.

girl girl · 02-06-2008, 10:50 PM

It could be possible.
There is research that taking anti-depressants could alter the time you spend in REM sleep or if you go into it at all.
Maybe it is of the same concept/chemical affected in your brain?

***Feorge Gorman*** · 02-06-2008, 11:05 PM

...it's one of the primary reasons I smoke weed.

I might smoke an hour or so before bed, and that usually takes care of it!

With it, I RARELY dream...and that's alright with me!

Without it, I've kicked the wall and ended up with bloody toes in the morning...or simply woke up screaming at the top of my lungs!

Thank goodness I have a tolerant wife...she's comforted me many times after a bad episode.

Just as long as I keep my THC level up...I can sleep like a baby!

02-06-2008, 09:05 AM	#1
Tally-Ho New Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 64 Grams: 1,606.15 Groans: 4 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 14 Thanked 20 Times in 13 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	New Discovery from my Shrink I was surprised when i heard my from my shrink that people that smoke pot around an hour or 2 bed before bed will (sorry if i am not phrasing this correctly), do not reach the REM stage of sleep. I would have thought quite the opposite, although its does make sense to me. But im still skeptical... Last edited by Tally-Ho : 02-07-2008 at 08:32 AM.

02-06-2008, 10:13 AM	#2
troublemaker_42 May be habit forming Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,894 Grams: 19,428.77 Groans: 159 Groaned at 37 Times in 34 Posts Thanks: 1,055 Thanked 1,782 Times in 952 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I find this hard to believe. I feel as if I sleep better when I have weed. I know LACK of weed can give me mild to moderate insomnioa if I've been smoking many days in a row. However, I haven't noticed any indication that smoking pot negatively affects my sleep patterns in any way. Of course, I'm sure the body becomes habituated to certain things, and sleeping while "high" may be one those things. __________________ Remember you're a wreck, an accident forget the freak, you're just nature Keep the gun oiled and the temple clean shit, snort and blaspheme Let the heads cool and the engine run Because in the end, everything we do is just everything we've done..."Omega" by StoneSour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...ma#Gun_control www.sportsmenforObama.org

02-06-2008, 02:33 PM	#3
Lit_Match Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,556 Grams: 23,691.78 Groans: 1 Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts Thanks: 144 Thanked 795 Times in 443 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Agree with TM, there was a time in my life when for over 6 months I had three jobs, two of them were very labor intensive. I did smoke cannabis daily during that time and believe me, if lack of REM sleep was really a side affect of cannabis use I wouldn't have lasted more than a couple weeks with the amount of work I was doing (with no real days off to speak of to boot). __________________ Donation links to NORML (The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws) \| MPP (Marijuana Policy Project) Real Americans working to win our country back The National Security Archive Posting Guidelines

02-06-2008, 02:40 PM	#4
Vicki Herbal Alchemist Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 8,092 Grams: 45,478.11 Groans: 37 Groaned at 12 Times in 12 Posts Thanks: 2,446 Thanked 2,135 Times in 1,095 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I know I am having REM sleep, because I remember dreaming, and I vap daily, right up to the time I go to sleep. I don't believe this is true at all. Of course, he has no research to base his assessment, but I believe my personal experience shows it is not true. __________________ Disability is a matter of perception. If you can do just one thing well, you're needed by someone. - Martina Navratilova R.O.A.R-Reach Out. Act. Respond. Are you hungry? http://www.marijuana.com/culinary/83...s-recipes.html Want free samples? http://www.marijuana.com/cool-links/...e-samples.html

02-06-2008, 04:29 PM	#5
Dark Fool on the Hill Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,660 Grams: 12,519.44 Groans: 45 Groaned at 19 Times in 16 Posts Thanks: 1,040 Thanked 1,509 Times in 844 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Well it may happen in some people, I can believe it. Many say they dream very vivid when they go to bed stoned, but I'm quite the opposite. I love remembering my dreams, and I remember at least 2 or 3 a night if I'm sober, but when I'm stoned I don't remember any of my dreams. I also feel much more fatigued in the morning if I'm stoned while I go to bed, but I just always contributed that to a burnout type effect. Losing some of my REM cycle would also explain that. I'll experiment a little with my next bag, see if my sleep is improved if I don't smoke right before bed. __________________ Sometimes you have to lose your mind before you come to your senses

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02-06-2008, 08:23 PM	#6
ADIDAS Represent. KY Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,369 Grams: 8,836.75 Groans: 3 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts Thanks: 245 Thanked 208 Times in 153 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	This CANNOT be true. I am one of those who smokes every night before I go to bed, and indeed, I do not wake up remembering my dreams at all. BUT, Im 99% sure that we would go insane if we didnt reach the REM stage. It is a necessary part of living, even though we arent completely sure as to why we dream. __________________ All Day I Dream About Smoking

02-06-2008, 09:06 PM	#8
Buzzby Buddhist Curmudgeon Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 14,177 Grams: 42,708.34 Groans: 33 Groaned at 42 Times in 35 Posts Thanks: 486 Thanked 3,528 Times in 1,784 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I have a condition that causes me to get nothing but REM sleep unless I take special measures. Getting nothing but REM sleep is not very restful and contributes to a tendency to fall asleep suddenly at inappropriate times (narcolepsy). I find that smoking before bed does suppress REM sleep, which is what I want it to do. The doctor was half-right. The half he got wrong is that it only suppresses REM sleep for a couple of hours - until the high would normally wear off. This enables me to get at least one cycle of deep, restful sleep every night. There are other drugs that suppress REM sleep, but they are longer acting and leave me feeling "doped up" in the morning. __________________ McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. Do we really want four more years of the same old shit? ~ Buzzby, 08/31/2008 Theocracy Watch

02-06-2008, 10:50 PM	#9
girl girl New Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 10 Grams: 812.80 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	It could be possible. There is research that taking anti-depressants could alter the time you spend in REM sleep or if you go into it at all. Maybe it is of the same concept/chemical affected in your brain?

02-06-2008, 11:05 PM	#10
*Feorge Gorman* Asst. Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,006 Groans: 2 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts Thanks: 458 Thanked 583 Times in 357 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Having suffered from 'night-terrors' since I was kid... ...it's one of the primary reasons I smoke weed. I might smoke an hour or so before bed, and that usually takes care of it! With it, I RARELY dream...and that's alright with me! Without it, I've kicked the wall and ended up with bloody toes in the morning...or simply woke up screaming at the top of my lungs! Thank goodness I have a tolerant wife...she's comforted me many times after a bad episode. Just as long as I keep my THC level up...I can sleep like a baby! __________________ feorge New to Marijuana Dot Com? Be sure to read our POSTING GUIDELINES.

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