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I stick with my original comment that Rambo cannot be classified as a "war movie". A "war movie" usually consists of nations/countries met in prolonged conflict. Since when does a war consist of a country vs one man with a red bandana!?

Like RIP JMorrison says.... and he clearly knows the score, Rambo is not a war movie, it's a poncy hollywood fantasy popcorn action-flick(!) NOT A WAR MOVIE. There are no scenes in Rambo that are truly representative of what would be seen in a war.

 

DoritosMan

1st i dont remember the name of this movie i was pretty baked. I saw it a couple days ago, its with Samuel L. Jackson. Anyways the 1st 5 minutes of the movie they show a bunch of woman and childern as well as men with guns, shooting and throwing rocks at the american embassy, with snipers across the street. Then they show this 2 big ass choppers comming. [soundtrack: Riding with the Valkiries by Wagner]. Then marines start to jump out of the chopper when they land inside the embassy, here is where the patriotic bs starts.
The next couple scenes there are no dialogues just a cool song and bunch of dudes with guns running around. I was thinking (stoned) "must be cool as **** firing one of those guns, blowing sh!t up". The people get even mader and start to throw more rocks inside. When the soldiers get on the ledge some get shot, thats when my mood totaly changed from excitement(sp?) to total jaw drop. The character that Samuel plays tells the soldiers to open fire at the people below. The next scene is the soldiers getting up and shotting the sh!t out of the people below. The next couple scenes is just close up of people getting shot, blood flying all over the place, legs without bodies, children crying....

Now for the ultimate patriotic act, once the embassor and his family are inside the chopper. Samuel runs all the way up to the flag pole gets the american flag, runs all the way down and gives the flag to the embassor....now dont tell me this is not patriotic bs?!

I dont think there is nothing wrong with nationalism, but what the big deal if i was born in Brazil or Afghanistan? We all live in the same planet...Some anarchist dude said "Love the world you live in not the country that explores you"

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Herb Ninja

The only wars we need to be fighting are the ones in wich people invade our country. (In wich not alot of people do on foot because we are protected with the right "to keep and bear arms" and no invaders gonna know who has guns and who doesnt.) When the japanese obviously bombed pearl harbor we needed to retaliate, that I understand. That war we had to fight, that was a war we could win, not like the war on some drugs and terrorism. The people that died running planes into buildings on september 11th are dead (their leaders may not be, but should innocent people die so we can have a chance at killing them?) , we don't need to go and bomb some innocent people and justify it because we had thousands of innocent civilians die that day, we needed to continue on with life without changing and letting them win, we don't need more airport security, we need less airport security and more liberty, we live in a free country and being safe will not be helped by laws, we don't need a war on terrorism, and we especially don't need bush sending troops into foreign countrys to be killed and kill. Protect your country, but don't go invade countrys for no good reason, (some of us) were Americans, and most of us know better than to do that. I was thinking about joining the military (a while ago), but ive decided not to, because i'm not gonna go fight stupid wars. I will only fight to protect my country, and that means staying in my country. Just my opinions though, I could be wrong. More peace, no more war.

bc_budz420

that movie was Rules of Engagement

Epiphany

I'm really pissed about this:

There are two movies I've seen but I can't remember what they were called. Maybe it was the same movie:

In one they show the kids getting drafted and this black kid with an afro whips out a knife when they ask him to declare anything.

In another some group of soldiers gets out of the war and onto a volleyball team. Some guy throws a grenade and another guy jumps on it. In the same movie I think the
government takes away some Vietnamese kid and all he wants to do is play baseball, theyalso bomb hidden tunnels.

In yet another one some crazy guy runs after a platoon of Vietcong and get killed.

I know these are vague but If anybody remembers what movies these scenes are from tell me please. I was watching Full Metal Jacket tonight and was expecting to see some of
these scenes but It was a completely different movie.

 

DoritosMan

I got out my moderatin' crazy glue and scissors. Padabeen padabang voila. I made 2 thread into one...
Im in a good mood cause Brazil just beat some turkish ass on the cup so i did a little extra work instead of just closing the duplicate thread
You got lucky epiphany

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deadman420

Epiphany: That movie you described sounds a lot like Platoon.(Fantastic movie)

War movies haven't glamorized war in a long time. The ONLY Vietnam war movie I know of that glamorizes war was made 35 years ago, The Green Berets, starring John Wayne. Every war movie since then, especially regarding Vietnam(And rightfully so, in my opinion) has at the very least not glamorized war. And most Vietnam movies have been critical of US involvement(Platoon, Apocalypse Now, Casualties of War to name a few). And realistic depiction of the horrors of war has been more and more frequent(Black Hawk Down, Saving Private Ryan), and just because the movies didn't outright criticize the US military, they by no means glamorized warfare. If you think back to SPR, most of the main characters died bloody, painful deaths with no fanfare or melodrama. Just because it was a depiction of warfare that didn't show America in a bad light did not mean it was glamorizing war.(Did anyone leave SPR or BHD thinking that war looked great?)

And to address this feeling that BHD was a piece of ultrapatriotic fluff that showed American slaughter of "starving Somalis" in a good light? I would suggest that you read a history book, or something to shed a little light on the events so that you may arrive at an informed decision(Hell, even watching the movie would enable you to make more informed commentary). RIP Jim Morrison has so far been the only one to post who actually seems to have some grasp of the true nature of the events. Yes, it may have been a few Americans in the battle, but they were fighting well fed, well armed Somali troops who were led by a warlord. These troops were starving the Somali civilians, seizing UN food and medical shipments, and massacring unarmed civilians. These people fired first. The movie might not have shown what happened to them nearly as much, but they did bring it on themselves.

And as to warfare in general: I think by now, everyone has gotten the message that war is, indeed, hell. I don't remember who said this, but "It is fortunate that war is so terrible, otherwise we would grow too fond of it." However, as long as one side is willing to kill to accomplish its goals, there will be war. And no one can simply refuse to participate, because whether we like it or not, we would be drawn into it. "What would happen if there was a war and no one came? Why, the war would come to you"-Bertold Brecht. If a sneak attack on a civilian target on home soil is not reason enough to go to war...? These are not nice people that we are dealing with. These are people who believe that they will get into heaven by killing Americans, and believe that it is thir religious duty to destroy America. THESE ARE, BY THEIR OWN DECLARATION, MORTAL ENEMIES OF AMERICA. By attacking us, they have shown that it's a war that they want, so why disappoint them?

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ThaNarc

The movie Epiphany is talking about is The Boys In Company C. It's easy to confuse with Full Metal Jacket because the drill sergant (can't remember his name and I know it's going to bug me all night) plays a drill sergant in this movie. It's worth checking out, if your in the mood to watch yet another Vietnam war flick all about how terrible it was. Not to downplay all the crap they had to go through for a b.s. war, but compared to what vetrans like my grandfather had to go through in W.W 2 and Korea, Vietnam wasn't all that bad.
As for BHD, I watched an excellent documentry on the History channel which detailed the events that happened in that goatf**ked raid, and the movie is actually quite historically accurate. As for the poor Somalis, most who died shouldn't have been there in the first place, and they were intermingled with hundreds of well armed and drugged up militia.
As for what Herb Ninja siad about the only war we need to be involved in is one where are country is invaded, is faulty logic. So a new Hitler rises to power and he decides to exterminate all left handed people with brown eyes we should just let him. "Well since we're not being invaded, let him do once he wants.". There is a term to describe this idea and it's called isolationilism, and if you remember in the last two world wars we suscribed to this theory and it eventually bit us in the arse.

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