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Shroud

I watched Donahue last night.

First of all, I think Gov. Gary Johnson got WAY too sidetracked. He needs to stay much more focused in the future when it is a debate about marijuana. He spent alot of time defending his stance on hard drugs and heroin in particular. I felt this was counter-productive, especially in that type of a forum.

The Drug Czar was outnumbered. Let's face it though. He KNEW he would be so stop *****ing about it. As someone else said, he received alot of time to put forward his viewpoint and to respond to comments by Gov. Gary Johnson and others. I felt that he was very disrespectful towards the guest from San Francisco who was there to defend the medicinal marijuana position. In addition, he interrupted and talked over half of the responses by Gary Johnson as well which was inexcusable.

I don't know how to respond to the statistics that the Drug Czar threw around. Talk show host or guests don't force him to defend such statistics in the face of mountains of evidence and studies to the contrary.

Personally, I think such talks need to mute the microphones of the opposing side when someone is asked to comment on an issue.

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Niteshift

"I'm 17. I have to go through a huge deal of trouble to get a pack of cigarettes. They're legal."

That's hardly an arguement for legalization. It SHOULD be difficult, you're under age.

"I can get pot from a number of places in a fairly short amount of time. It's illegal."

And? First, you know where to look. You have regular connections, don't you? If I took you to Omaha and dropped you off in the center of town, which would you be able to find first? I know which one I could find first, then it's just a matter of getting it.

That's a pretty empty arguement for legalization.

"Same thing with alcohol, it's legal for those folks over 21 and is harder for me at 17 to get than pot which is illegal for all folks."

See above.

BTW, I don't know why you have such a hard time. No 17 year old around here has a tough time getting smokes or beer.

"It would be much harder for kids to get pot if it were legal. Most stores don't want to get fined, so they won't sell to someone underage."

I can name you stores around here that will sell without batting an eye.

Further, there is the ever-popular "strawman sale".............Hey, buy me a pack of smokes and you can keep the change........... happens all the time around here. I've watched it happen 25 feet from my marked patrol car.

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imported_zongmaster

[post edited out by me (zongmaster) for reasons of stupidity]

Shroud

Yes, your comments did make you look like an ass imho. No one denies Niteshift is an LEO. If you took the time to get a feel for the board then you might have known that beforehand. On top of that, maybe you should go read the Protecting Your Rights forum for awhile and realize why Niteshift is here, how useful the info he provides is, and the respect he has earned here by most of us.

Shroud

I definitely agree with your comments Niteshift. None of those points are actually useful in arguing for legalization (at least to me).

Legalization arguments invariably argue that drug use by minors should be discouraged just like for alcohol.

 

imported_zongmaster

i'm sorry that i didn't look into two years worth of posts to shape my opinion on somebody. however, from the posts that i've seen made by him, he seemed to have a closed mind on the subject. to tell you the truth, i may be wrong. i don't know the guy. i was just going off of what i have read in my time being here. sorry for being so quick to judge, its just you have to understand i'm predisposed to dislike most police officers. thats not to say i haven't met a lot of really cool police officers. so niteshift, i'm sorry if i offended you. i will listen to your opinions from now on with an open mind, as long as you do the same for me

edit: and now that i think about it, yes, i really, really was an ass, thats why i took that post out. i understand know how much help you can be on a board such as this. sorry once again for being immature

AnarchistBarbie

The mere fact that we're seeing more [maybe not much more, but it is more] mainstream coverage of garden variety every day marijuana use [both recreational and medicinal] is a good sign - and Niteshift is right to chastise us for not at least taking a moment out of our busy day of b*ing about what we haven't gotten accomplished, to celebrate what we have gotten accomplished.

Today O'Reilly, tomorrow the MacNeil-Lehrer Report - on to the future; a day when perhaps even Alan Greenspan has something positive to say about marijuana!

Seriously, [and I know I probably harp on this] marijuana has to become mainstream - common - every day - MUNDANE in the eyes of ordinary people who DON'T use it before it will be legalized.

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StonedBrad

I never once said that what I posted was an arguement for legalization. It was simply a point to take the 'if it were legal kids would have easy access' point away from the anti-legalization folks. I wasn't saying that what I said was some sort of platform for the movement to base its future around, merely that its not as easy as people would think to get your hands on those things that are regulated by the government.

And as for the stores that will sell remark, well then they need some new employees because a liquor license is expensive as hell to get and can be revoked in the blink of an eye. I'd imagine that the license is worth more to the store owner than the $5 they get from selling that six pack to some kid.

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imported_zongmaster

my opinion on the whole legalization issue is this: if it happens, it happens. i'm not really concerned with whether or not it becomes legal, because if you think about it, legalization is a moot issue. i'm going to continue smoking regardless of the law. this doesn't mean that i have no respect for the law, i just have no respect for THAT law. obviously there would be advantages if it was legal, but it still doesn't change the fact that i'm going to continue smoking whether its legal or not.

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