Daniel

The only reason that I bring this up on this forum is because he keeps coming here, and dammit, I knew that he would finally get a low in conventional wisdom...

He is an intelligent putz....

Read on:


"The 75th Academy Awards® handed the Oscar® for "Best Documentary" to Michael Moore for Bowling for Columbine. Bowling is a nasty bit of anti-American propaganda. Viewers are taught that:
America was founded on violence and fear, as quarrelsome pilgrims fled to the new world, where their paranoia led them to massacre the Indians, then the British, and then each other;

The Columbine murderers' violence might have its roots in the fact that one had a father in our military (American soldiers are presumably murderers, and it must rub off on their kids) or that there was a defense contractor in the area;

Charlton Heston (one of Hollywood's few upstanding men) is a callous fool;

The terrorist attack on 9/11 is related to past American foreign policy -- in short, America's own fault;
(No need to go farther, you get the drift. No wonder it got a standing ovation at France's Cannes Film Festival.) "

Moore (ha!)

Here

-enjoy...

NEWBSMOKER

Moore needs to be exiled. I'm sorry, but he is a moron, most of his " facts " are wrong and he just needs to shut his fat ass up. NO ONE CARES!!! SHAME ON YOU MR. MOORE, SMAME ON YOU!!!

Shroud

Your whole approach to discussion needs alot of work NEWBSMOKER. Maybe you could actually provide us with an argument as to why you feel he is a moron and if so why he should be deported. Every one of your posts reads the exact same way. Give us an actual angle and the rest of us can actually respond.

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strange_blaze

Moore...
He certainly has a way of getting everyones attention...




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deadman420

Micheal Moore, no matter how much of a POS he is, does not need to be exhiled. All that needs to happen is for the people who don't like what he has to say to stop consuming his products. Hit 'em where it counts...in the wallet(and the cock'n'balls).

He does, however, need to have that Oscar disappear pronto. If an award is given for a documentary, the movie in question should be FACTUAL, not edited into dishonesty. Moore is intelligent and FAR left wing and possibly anti American. However, he is either lazy, or worse, dishonest. In BFC he manipulated footage, distorted facts, and staged stunts to get a reaction. A documentary is supposed to be FACTUAL. If evidence does not support your point, you either need to find new evidence or a new point. Moore chose a third option, to make the evidence that he had into the evidence that he wanted. It was fradulent and thus was his award.

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Incinerated

Even though BFC had some "unfair" editing in regards to Charleton Heston, he deserves it!

Anyone who supports gun possession is a f*ckin moron no matter what the constitution or anyone says! Sure, sure guns don't kill people, people kill people BUT guns make it so much easier!

Despite some of the problems with BFC and its status as a doc.. I still think it should have won...at least for the attention the ISSUE not Moore received.

However, it seems Moore got more attention diverted to himself and not the issue of gun control.

Also, the best parts of the film (America's involement in overthrowing gov'ts to put puppet regimes and/or dictators in their place, the CIA trainign the taliban and osama bin laden ANd the entire examination of slavery and the grave difficulties it has caused and will continue to cause for the U.S.) were entirely factual and profound.

Based, on just those two elemetns (and there were others i cannot recall at this point) BFC deserved the oscar and status as a documentary.

NEWBSMOKER

I think he does all this sh*t for attention.

His facts are " mostly wrong " and exagerrated.

He contradicts himself way too many times.

He calls people idiots and morons who don't agree with his stance.

He claims the Bush and Gore election was illegal - need I even respond to this?

He doesn't give a **** about racism, he uses it as draw to his movies or books. " Stupid White People. "

He claims Bush is a terrorist.

Many more, but they fall under the other categories.

Also I didn't here him or any of the Democrats or Liberals complaining when Clinton started bombing in 1998 for less of a reason. Just to note - I supported Clinton there.

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MickityMike

By "unfair" I assume you mean "lies?" Because that's exactly what Moore did - he lied.

Isn't "lying" what you accuse the US Government of doing on a regular basis? How do you reconcile liking one liar, Michael Moore, but disliking another, the US Government?

Oh really? Let me know when you'd like to have a gun control debate so we can see who the "f*ckin moron" actually is.

So, in your estimation, lying is "ok" as long as it's for a cause you believe to be just? Isn't that what a lot of us accuse the Office of National Drug Control Policy of doing? How are the two different, you "f*ckin moron"?

Do you think that was because Moore lied? You see, what Michael Moore did was LIE to further a political agenda. That's wrong, no matter who does it or why.

Do the ends always justify the means in your world?

Yeah, because I, just like you, usually rely on people like Michael Moore to tell me the truth about all the intricate details surrounding geopolitics.

If you'd like to hear from a Leftist that disaproves of US policy towards Central and South America, read some Chris Hitchens. He doesn't lie.

Or if you'd like to hear a lot of the same arguments about our foreign policy in the Latin American countries, go to www.reason.com. It's a Rightist website, Libertarian, and they don't lie either.

Lying destroys one's credibility. You're putting your stock into someone that has blatantly lied to you, and millions like you. Is that someone you want to emulate? Is that someone you can respect?

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought that the distinguishing characteristic that makes a film a documentary is FACTS?

Edit: Whoooo! Post #200, baby! And how cool is it that post number 200 just happened to be a post disparaging that fat, greasy b*st*rd, Michael Moore?! Snap into a Slimjim!!

deadman420

Big thumbs up there, Mickity. You refrained from just ranting about Incinerated's stupidity and layed of the blatant personal attacks better than I was about to and whomped him wit reason. Nice work.

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For MickityMike: oh my, it seems you have misunderstood what Incinerated was saying.

I do believe that Moore lied and was deceptive but no where did it say, for instance, in that one sequence (from "cold dead hands" to later speech) that they were from the same time...he did not try and pass it off as that...there was no caption at the bottom that tied the two events together, they were simply separate clips.

You should start a forum about gun control somewhere on this board...you should go first because I'd like to have a good laugh about however you're going to support gun possession. Gun control now seems impossible in the States because every probably does need a gun to protect themselves from all the bogey men (whether real or not) that inhabit your country.

MM said: "So, in your estimation, lying is "ok" as long as it's for a cause you believe to be just? Isn't that what a lot of us accuse the Office of National Drug Control Policy of doing? How are the two different, you "f*ckin moron"?"

They aren't but more didn't lie in relation to many issues:
1) the u.s. does have a problem with handguns
2) you are a racist nation that was built on "freedom" fighters who all had, and therefore supported, black slavery
3)the american's use of their military to overthrow gov't they didn't agree with or wouldn't do business with them (to put puppet regimes in their place)
4) america's funding of the taliban and CIA training osama and co.

you then say: "You're putting your stock into someone that has blatantly lied to you, and millions like you. Is that someone you want to emulate? Is that someone you can respect?"

I don;t put stock in moore, just his ideas that i have corroborated with information i knew before seeing his film and afterwards.

Then: "Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought that the distinguishing characteristic that makes a film a documentary is FACTS?"

Some of his points were facts! See the 4 points above...

then: "And how cool is it that post number 200 just happened to be a post disparaging that fat, greasy b*st*rd, Michael Moore?!"

So you don't like him because he's fat too eh? You must have no friends down there in your McUSA [ie mcdonalds] wonderland if you hate fat people.