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i notice alot of people listen to "pop" music or rap or other Lyric based music. i have found the classical musid doesnt nessicarly have a message we can easily identify with like rap, rock or soul... but i digress. what im trying to get at is this...try listening to classical or better yet Movie soundtracks and write back your experinces.


i get lost for hours listening to that stuff. i get caught up in weird soap opera's in my head. its really kind of cool. so drop me a line and let me know what you think about "classical" music ( i really think movie scores are the best, they tell a much better story than mozart or beethoven)

 

DoritosMan

i heard Carmina Burana high and i read the translation of the lyrics and dude its a very sad story, but its very cool

My mom has about 100 Bach, Ludwig van Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Mozart, Chopin, Vivaldi, Handel and R. Wager maybe some more dudes i dont know. But most of them is really trippy here is some of the stuff i recomend
Moonlight Sonana - Beethoven
Prelude No. 1 - Chopin
Fantasy in D-Minor - Mozart
Turkish March - Mozart
Czardas - Tchaikovsky

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its good
after around 10:30 i flip the radio to classical til i go to sleep

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The Stoned Philosopher

classical music is the ****, and i dont really care much for music with lyrics (only got a few songs in my mp3 and cd collection with lyrics)

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Bear

I would say that for the commute - there is nothing better. Actually, the other day I was driving somewhere after a session and Copeland came on the local classical radio station. Now, I love Copeland (especially for an American composer) but I have always found his music somewhat 'poppy' - going for mass appeal rather than musical intricacy. However, in this new state of mind (coming down after the session) - his 'Appalachian Suite' really kept my attention, and it was the most I have ever enjoyed it. If I am going for a very pensive, deep high - I will dive into my collection and put on some Dvorjak (if I need some brow-furrowing thoughts) or for something lighter, perhaps some Debussy or something playful.

Something fun to try is find a good classical or jazz station and listen to it in the car - it is amazing how much it changes everything passing around you. I mean, I love classical music and listen to it everyday, but for those that don't - give it a go. Especially with the season, it is something fun to try.

 

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stravinksi?
john williams?
Randy newman?
James horner?
James newton howard?

has anyone listened to these guys? all real recent except stravinski ( i suggest Rite of spring, petrushka, firebird) all suberb ballets the music is so revolutionary for 1900's

the others are more contomperary (1970-present) movie composers.

any john williams score will tell you the story of the movie, complete with character motifes and development and interaction between characters.

not that im saying older classical sucks ( im a music major, i live for this stuff) but that its "stuffy" in comparision to movie scores.


thats my two cents, thanks

Bear

Just thought of two really interesting (interesting being the key word here - not 'one for the ages' kind of thing) music *scores* (yes, these do actually qualify as scores, technically) but they are:
1) Pelican Brief.
2) Requiem for a Dream.
Now, there are many very, very good scores out there that usually come from the more obscure movies - and two that I am thinking about now are totally escaping me. A friend had let me borrow one of them a few years (well, many now that I think about it) back and I couldn't stop listening to it. It was captivating. Well, that was pretty useless, but, it is getting a little late in the day...

AlphaWolf

Lately the whole overplayed over popped "pop" music has really been getting on my nerves.. so I've decided instead of looking into the current music scene or even the recent past music scene, I decided to look into the distant past, the Baroque era. It really was one of the greatest times for music in history.. with Vivaldi, Bach, and Handel leading the way.

I've found that it calms my nerves.. and sets a very peaceful and serene atmosphere..

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Scores-

Edward Scissorhands
Beetlejuice
Nightmare Before Christmas
The Crow (score)
The Crow: City of Angels (score)
A Clockwork Orange (OST)
A Clockwork Orange (OST Score)
Halloween 1/2/4/6
In The Mouth of Madness
Dark City
The Matrix (Score)
Eyes Wide Shut
The Shining (Stanley Kubrick's Version: score)
Lords of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring
Harry Potter
The Stand
Village of the Damned (John Carpenter's Version: Score)
A.I.
Batman (score)
Batman Returns (score)
Planter of the Apes (score)
Donnie Darko
Band of Brothers
Saving Private Ryans
Bugsy (score)
Escape from LA (score)
Star Trek: Next Generation (TV Score)

Games Soundtrack:

MediEvil 1/2 (burnt copies occasionally are offered for trade on ebay)
Final Fantasy 2/3/4/5/6/7/8
Chrono Trigger/Cross
Resident Evil 2
Xenogears
Metalgear Solid

Composers/Electronic Artists

Beethoven
Mike Oldfield
Yellow Magic Orchestra
Space
Danny Elfman (score composer)
Greame Revell (score composer)
Micheal Garrison
David Van Tieghem
Ryuichi Sakamoto
Maurice Jarre
Henry Cowell
Dimitri Shostakovich
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Threnody Ensemble
Miguel Frasconi
Terry Riley
Morton Feldman
Michel Geiss
Jean Michel Jarre
Violent Vision
Two Lone Swordsmen
Mouse on Mars
Soulo
Future Sound of London
Alec Empire
Sandman/Green House Effect


that should cover that. eh, this is pretty much my style of music, so theres all what i'm into. im into other stuff, but this is my fav. I dislike most of todays music...it just doesnt get to me.

enjoy.

later

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jvthc

Nice to see this cycle back into focus - the thread's 10 month's old!

First, let me say I was a serious violinist years ago, played in several orchestra's, reached reasonable competency - but, life requires money, and computer software development made more money, leaving no time for practice.

Now, knowing the music I know, here's some of the stoner's paradise of classical music, with some reasons why, but in no particular order.



Shubert - unfinished symphony (8). Especially the one by Solti in DDD on London. Shubert was young (about 26), and music was like "Mozart" at this time, classical, not romantic. Beethoven was "inventing" the romantic style - but Shubert wrote this "nightmare." If Shubert had lived longer, we'd probably think of him as much as Beethoven - this one work was never finished, and discovered about 30 years after Shubert died. For it's day, it was a bit too emotional for publication. It's dark, profound for its day, and Solti delivers a masterful direction. Think of a ghost story set in the early 1800's. Caution - don't turn the volume up at first, it starts at about -60db and reaches full scream in 90 seconds, that might push your woofers onto the floor if you're not accustomed to dynamic range (I used it to purchase speakers, and salesmen have ruined a few pair on this).


Rimsky Korsakoff - Scheherazade. Written in 1885, it's a symphonic tone poem. The author intends to create imagery in the mind (nearly hallucination), relative to the story of 1001 nights. Breifly, Scheherazade was a woman, offered marriage by a sultan king. He didn't want a wife, just a roll under marriage - he intended to do away with his wives when they became bothersome. Knowing this, Scheherazade tells the king wild stories of adventure, which she doesn't finish, each night. The king spares her life to hear 1 more story, each night, for about 3 years, until he decides to keep her. Each tale is filled with a desparate attempt to save her own life, each story growing increasingly fantastic. The solo violin is said to be her voice. Think of a John Williams inspiration - a movie made only in music. I prefer the 1962 by Reiner, but it's recording technology of that time was no better than cassettes of the late 80's. You might find Seiji Ozawa under Boston Symph exciting, but avoid Maazel, or any lesser orchestra - it won't have the right effect.


Richard Strauss - Also Sprach Zarathustra. This is a toen poem based on Niche's notion of the superman. You already know the first 90 seconds as the theme from 2001. The remainder is not like the intro (called sunrise). Ozawa does this well, as does Karajan.

Hosts, the Planets. This is based on the mythological origins of the planet's names. At the time, 7 planets were known beyond Earth. Of particular interest to stoners, Mars - the bringer of war, Venus the bringer of peace (but only if you're of that mindset - interesting point, War involves simple musical architecture of rythmic pulse, while peace requires very complex musical architecture of gentle rythmic influence). Check out neptune for a real quiet space out - I played that in a loop all night when Voyager flew by neptune, live. Look for Ormandy, Ozawa or Karajan conducting.

Ravel, Daphnis et Chloe. This comes in two forms, the entire ballet and the suite. The suite is about 20 minutes, and is probably your best condensation for a taste, but the entire work under Guillani is incredible if you have the patience. Also, Alborado del Gracioso will provide a fabulous dynamic's test.

Debussy, prelude to the afternoon of a faun and other works you'll find on the CD. There are several of Debussy's works that usually accompany the faun. Look for Solti in DDD on London. Think of French impressionists paintings as music, like "What Dreams may Come."

Stravinsky's Firebird suite - a sure winner if you're patient for through the intro. It's cerebral, complex, rythmic, wild. Here I prefer Bernstien, but it's an older recording technology that includes a bit of tape hiss. If you want a mid '70's trip, go for the Tomita "electronic" version (all FM synth) - probably Tomita's best classical recording of anything.

Beethoven 9th. Now, this is not my highest suggestion, because you'll probably not like the "choral" finale. However, when you consider the man had been deaf for years, the second movement's rhythm and development is beyond all comprehension. You'll recognize the main theme of the 4th movement, but then it turns opera on your *ss, and perhaps that's not your thing.

Beethoven's 3rd - His explosion into the romantic form, probably the first symphony ever to last 40 minutes. It defy's explaination. Known as the Erocia (Heroic), it was originally dedicated to Napoleon, but Beethoven tore up the dedication when Napoleon turned out to be a disappointment.

Beethoven's 7th - An Adult's only work. You can't get into this one unless you already love Beethoven, and appreciate just what it must of meant to be a deaf musical genius.

Moussorgsky - Pictures at an exhibition. This is best known for the Promenade, written in 5/4 time, depicting the composer's own limp as he walks through an art gallery, viewing the sketches and paintings of his friend, who had recently died. Moussorgsky was a serious alcoholic, and one could argue failed to complete his own material. This was finished as a piano work, but the music was so imaginative and advanced it simply had to be woven into an orchestral score. Ravel's orchestration is most common, but Stokowski did at least as well. You'll only find one Stokowski worth owning, conducted by Stokowski himself. Otherwise, look to Solti, Karajan or others. Quite a trip.

Moussorgsky - night on bald mountain. This usually accompanies other works - found, for example, on Tomita's firebird suite. Greate halloween music.

Gershwin Rhapsody in Blue - I've had Bernstein's recording of this since I was 8. I can't find any other performer who can do it justice, but a fair version is on Disney's fantasia 2000 album (an otherwise fairly good collection of music to own).

Rachmaninoff - Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini. Piano and orchestra, I can't be satisfied with anyone less than Artur Rubinstien, but the recordings are from 1962. Fabulous music, demanding the most of a pianist.

Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto 3. Here, again, I must turn to a 1962 recording, though a recent one by Evgeny Kissin isn't bad. I first absorbed this music at age 9, from Byron Janis '62 recording, and nothing else will do for me. Very deep, fairly dark, Russian late romantic themes - romantic in the musical sense, not in a personal sense.

Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto 2. Several do this one justice. An earlier work of Rachmaninoff, perhaps more "traditional" as a concerto.

Brahms - Violin Concerto. I was spoiled on the Heifetz, but Szeryng does justice. Only if you're into violin concerti.

Ravel - Tzigane. So far, the only human being I've ever heard to do this justice is Itzak Perlman. It can be described as wierd. A solo violin nightmare - dark, interesting, complex, something of an acquired taste - adults only.

Mahler - Symphony 5. I prefer Bernstein, but it's often considered idiosyncratic. Inspirition to John Williams. Mahler wrote this after having recovered from surgery around 1900 (which would have nearly killed anyone). Complex, emotional - Bernstein's recording with the Vienna on DG is a bit of history itself. Mahler was from Vienna (or at least conducted the Vienna Philharmonic) around the 1900's. In more modern times (say, 50's forward), the Vienna refused to perform Mahler's music. It was considered so "exagerrated" and "overdone" work. Bernstein was appalled that "Mahler's own" orchestra wouldn't perform his work. So, Bernstein insisted - nearly forced the orchestra to record it, but simply wouldn't let the recording be released or finalized until the orchestra learned to love it! A few members quit, but those that remained were convinced. Bernstein returned Mahler to his own home, and the orchestra was better for it. It is, however, a bit of an acquired taste. The opening is simply devistating. You'll either hate it to the point of nausea, or it will fascinate you like watching surgery.

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