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Killerchron

I got my tool ticket for this Saturday. Floor of course. I am not really into the whole black metal genre. I'm all about thrash metal. Slayer, Lamb of God, Shadows Fall, God Forbid, Mastodon, Pantera.

Check out these bands also if you haven't heard them.

In Flames
ISIS
Opeth
Porcupine Tree
Six Feet Under
Black Dahlia Murder

Spiral, I really am not feeling that video that you posted on the first page of the thread, IMO violins are not metal. Unless that is the only song with it?

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cepheus

Female opera style vocals aren't usually considered metal either, but Nightwish does it pretty well. Metal is a huge world with a lot of people doing lots of different stuff. I think it's a sign of mastery when someone can mix fiddles and flutes and shit like that with metal and make it sound good. Eluveitie has plenty of metal elements: choppy, fast, distorted riffs on downtuned guitars, blast beats, double bass, plenty of growling and screaming. I don't think they are any less metal because they decided to round out their musical picture with some folk influences.

SpiralArchitect

I don't think you understand 'metal' then. Of course violins are not metal, but that genre is called Folk Metal, more specifically New Wave of Folk Metal. Cepheus hit the nail on the head;

Might strike you as surprising but folk metal has some of the most devout followers you will ever see. That and it is usually one of the better subgenres of metal, as the bands tend to put great care into master crafting songs and the combination and contrasts of folk sound and metal shreds.

Also, Porcupine Tree and Isis are hardly metal. Isis is more of a sludge industrial post-rock with a few metal elements. Porcupine Tree is progressive rock for the most part, but they really change their sound alot. Also Six Feet Under < Cannibal Corpse, I just can't stand the mallcore values SFU has, Chris Barnes took that band to fucking hell, it was chewed up my the metal media and spit out only to come crawling back unwanted by many.

edit: I also noticed you said you were a trash fan, I was just introduced to the band The Agony Scene and they are pretty good 'trash' metal. Dekapitator is awesome too, just got their new album.

Any fans of Symphony X here? Now that is some serious power metal, they fucking shred like no other....

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Killerchron

Spiral, I respect you opinion, but ISIS is a progressive metal band. And like I said I like thrash metal, not into the whole flutes and violins shit. Im not going to argue with out about Six Feet Under since they are a Thrash/ Stoner metal combo and cannibal corpse is a strait Death metal band.

I though Black Sabbath made it clear that violins and flutes are not metal.

the_lung

Power metal is really fucking gay cheese-dick music. Spiral Architect: you remind me of Stuart from "Beavis & Butthead," in his little Winger shirt. My boy killerchron is right. Violins are not metal at all. They are just cheesy. And also, ISIS is a progressive metal band, as is Porcupine Tree. Six Feet Under is the fucking shit. I fail to see how they are "mall-core." They are just a thrash/stoner hybrid band, with one of the best vocalists ever, who by the way, would kill you if he heard such blasphemy.

I will conclude this statement by saying that power-metal, folk metal, and black metal are just plain fucking cheesy genres best saved for European metalheads who don't know any better.

No. They don't. No band with a chick singer can ever be heavy, not even Arch Enemy. Opera style vocals are just fucking cheese-dick. Female singers are not heavy at all. Power-metal is pretty damn lame. Put them together as Nightwish does, and shittiness ensues. Now, I know a bunch of you are just gonna say that everyone has their own opinion, and they do. I agree. It's just that Spiral Architect's is wrong. Flutes and violins will never be metal. They fall into the category that killerchron, our friends, and myself call "Borgardt music," named after our dear friend Timmy Borgardt, cheesedick extraordinaire. See, our friend Tim is a cheesy little dude. He likes all these cheesy bands. Other cheesy bands that fall into this category are Metallica, Disturbed, and Children of Bodom.

Thank you, and good day.

 

SpiralArchitect

Your ignorance is showing. I suggest you cover it up quick before you make a fool of yourselves any more. You are obviously inexperienced in the music genre and have only had interactions with mainstream and American metal bands. I on the other hand, am a musician. Metal is the first, and the only genre I have ever loved and listened to.

If you go to the most comprehensive and conclusive metal site on the internet, Encyclopeadia Mettalum, and look up Isis you will find out they are Atmospheric Sludge. Isis was origionally a hardcore band, and they are anything but progressive metal.

Porcupine tree isn't even in the metal encyclopedia.

the_lung

Sir, I have been playing guitar for over 9 years, and am also a musician. I've been a straight-up metalhead since I bought my first GWAR album at the age of 6. And as for the Encyclopedia Metallum, who gives a shit? I've seen internet sites that say that bigfoot and george w. bush had a baby. Doesn't make it true now, does it?

And yes, ISIS is progressive metal. Progressive music is defined by time and key changes in a song. Last time I checked, ISIS has both. And since when is ISIS a mainstream band?

And as for a general retort, I automatically win this argument because you listen to cheese-dick music. I'd rather come off as ignorant than someone who listens to shitty power-metal. The only reason I'm acting like such an ass is because my friend killerchron simply stated what music he liked and you jumped all over him with your idealistic notions of violins and flute being metal somehow. Say what you will, I know your choice in music sucks, Stuart.

SpiralArchitect

In all my time listening to ISIS i haven ever heard them classified as progressive metal. They draw heavy influences from 2 post metal and experimental bands - Neurosis and Godflesh.

Isis creates "creating heavy music consisting of lengthy songs that focus on repetition and evolution of structure. As such, a great range of musical labels are used to describe their sound, including avant-garde metal, post-metal and experimental rock" but not progressive metal.

Read this it may help you under stand music genres a little bit more, too often is the label 'progressive metal' slapped on bands that aren't really progressive, and not very metal;

Also, I don't know why you call power metal 'chese-dick-music'. It is only one of the many genres of music I listen to, and it seems like you haven't listened to it very much yourself. It sounds like your kind of immature in general, so you make unsubstantiated assumptions towards music genres.

Hm, well considering Encyclopeadia Mettalum is considered the most comprehensive and inclusive (as well as elitist/purist) metal sites on the internet I would take everything from that site, sure with a grain of salt, but it's has more validity and evidence than your opinion, that is 100% sure.

the_lung

There's a reason i dont listen to power metal - its cheese-dick-singer-has-his-balls-in-a-vice music - and ISIS is defintely progressive metal. You seem as if you just browse the Encyclopedia Metallum all day long and look up facts on gay-ass power metal bands.

SpiralArchitect

Believe what you want, but I am through discussing the music genre of metal with someone as ignorant and close minded as you appear to be. Have you even listened to Symphony X? They fucking rule. They don't even hit the high notes like most power metal bands do.

Do your research and maybe listen to more than just mainstream metal and we can perhaps talk about something more interesting than how wrong you really are. I have yet to hear anyone classify ISIS as a strictly Progressive Metal band, it makes me wonder how much of them you have really listened to in the first place I also laugh at your comment about power metal being 'cheese-dick-singer-has-his-balls-in-a-vice-' comment, do you honestly believe this? Because a singer sings in a higher octave and can reach notes most singers can only dream about it because lame music? It seems to me you have fallen in to the 'metal must be brutal to be good' trap, which is fine I guess, but don't go calling Power Metal shitty just because you don't enjoy it many do and Power Metal along with Trash and Speed Metal helped establish the death metal and similar sound you enjoy today. Think about it

Well established bands like Rush, Iron Maiden, Ensiferum, Stratovarious, Blind Guardian, Iced Earth and even Metallica fall under some sort of sub-genre of Power Metal. Learn your shit kiddo, you've got a ways to go, sad so see someone base opinions on such ridiculous assumptions especially with metal music. A shame really, but I guess thats what Hot Topic is for; people like you.