Go Back   Marijuana.com > Recreation > Philosophy
Register FAQ Gaming VB Image Host Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-30-2008, 03:18 AM   #1
Acidrain09
Jr. Member
 
Acidrain09's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 242
Grams: 2,818.70
Groans: 3
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Acidrain09 can see the Karmic Tunnel of Life
Thanks: 30
Thanked 30 Times in 23 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default The end of the world

Ive been thinking, and Ive decided to finally orginize my thoughts. Be nice =) I wrote this in about two hours, and a big thanks to anyone who reads all the way through and shares their honest fealings.



Our capitalistic, consumerist government is destroying the world. The government spawns many a thing, and those things lead to the extremely large gap between rich and poor. The government is the cause for the media, globalization, industrialization, and education. These things, in their own separate way, created the individual. This individual has developed a need to want. This need of ours is being satisfied in the most harmful of ways, through globalization and industrialization. Hence we are trapped within this paradox of needing to want, and having no choice but to further our imperialistic globalization and industrialization.
The government has directly spawned four of the six things that is destroying our world. Two of the main being globalization and industrialization. Industrialization is the fuel for globalization. Our government reigns imperialism by causing the need for cheep goods. Our industries go over to other countries to industrialize them. We need these goods, so we go over to third world countries (or what we have made into third world countries) and weaned them off of their lifestyle and asked them instead to make us goods for virtually no money. These people can barely, if at all, even function in their own society. They are suffering by making our useless things that we have been thought to need.
One other direct spawn from the government is the media. This media has created the individual that needs to want. The medias every step is not controlled by this government, but it does serve the governments purpose of consumerism. The constant mental barrages brought down by commercials and advertisements have implemented this manufactured need of ours.
One last direct spawn is the school system. The school system is a type of brainwash set in place in order to keep us from rebelling against the system. It unconsciously probes our minds into thinking that the point in life is to go to collage, and get the million dollar job. This is exactly what the government wants us to do, make as much money as possible so that they can live long and prosper. Hence we are stuck in a second paradox. We are trapped in a cycle of brainwash, the government has made it our goal in life to further the government. The crazy thing about this situation is that we are virtually powerless against the monster brainwasher that is the government.
All of these problems lead up to one giant evil, the gap between rich and poor. This gap is what is destroying the world. The United States of America as a people, use up ¼ of the worlds recourses, yet make up a mere 1/20 of the worlds population. The richest 20% of humanity consumes 86% of all goods and services used, while the poorest fifth consumes just 1.3%. (Consumption of Recourses, Day of 6 Billion: October 12 - Consumption & Resources) If we all live the way the richest 20% of the world, we would be emitting enough pollution to destroy 4 separate Earths. And on the other hand, if we all lived like the poorest 20%, we could have at least 100 times our population and still create the same amount of pollution. The estimated one billion people who live in developed countries have a relative per capita consumption rate of 32 times as much as the other 5.5 billion people.
Oil, gas, and coal global usage have also at least doubled in the last 40 years. (Image:World Energy consumption.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, chart on World Energy usage) If the rich don’t break their tread, and don’t stop using almost 90% of the worlds recourses, then our recourse usage will continue to increase exponentially. If this happens, our world will no longer to be able to sustain itself, and collapse under the strain of pollution.
Now that we’ve established the problems, that only leaves the solutions. I have come to but one solution, revolution.
Revolution has almost worked in the 60’s with the Lennonest movement. If it has almost worked in the past, then it can work in the future. We need to use the evils in power in order to gain the necessary number of minds for a revolution. Namely the media, Lennon used his music in order to spread his message. Today its not that easy, people today are immensely brainwashed by the forces at power. I believe however if we all, likeminded people, meet and discuss, we can overcome this evil. We have to organize, and find more people who think the same way. These people will continue to find others, and new people will find more people. This happens until we have enough people to revolt.
We would revolt against the government, consumerism, imperialism. The downfall of the government would end all of the other evils mentioned, because the government is the driving force behind all of them. Without the government there could be no more schools, simply because there would be no money for them. If we also revolt against consumerism, the media wouldn’t fall, but it would not focus all if its energy onto manufacturing the need for want. The destruction of this need would also directly end globalization and industrialization. This end would also diminish the gap between rich and poor. We would no longer be in foreign countries, exploiting their recourses. This would allow them to regain control over their lands, and use their own natural recourses. The government is going to cause the end of the world, and we need to stop it.

-Nick Hofstra
Acidrain09 is offline Award Acidrain09 Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Acidrain09 For This Useful Post:
Ganja_420 (07-17-2008), Hashishi (05-31-2008), Merry-juana (06-07-2008), SlowRide (07-28-2008)
Marijuana.com Sponsor
Advertisement
 
Old 05-30-2008, 03:37 AM   #2
SpiralArchitect
The Cosmic Chronic
 
SpiralArchitect's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,654
Grams: 39,953.77
Groans: 86
Groaned at 22 Times in 19 Posts
SpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bank
Thanks: 3,799
Thanked 2,565 Times in 1,449 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: -1.000%
Default

You talk about revolution in the most vaguest sense I can only hope you are kidding. You say that globalization and industrialization are evil, but I don't see any alternatives you've given. Globalization isn't a necessarily bad thing, if anything it brings the world together and industrialization is the only way the population of this world is likely to survive... we have a lot of mouths to feed, jobs to supply and demands to fulfill. Also not everyone lives in a self sustaining environment, (realistically) where would I go to eat if I couldn't go to the store?

The United States government may not be perfect, and at times it may be corrupt, but I don't think it is evil and 'destroying the world'... their will always be the rich, and their will always be the poor, you cannot expect social stratification to just suddenly stop and the world become a fairytale.
SpiralArchitect is online now Award SpiralArchitect Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to SpiralArchitect For This Useful Post:
SacredJellybean (05-30-2008), Snipe¤Star (06-08-2008), xX420zwill (07-24-2008)
Old 05-30-2008, 03:46 AM   #3
Acidrain09
Jr. Member
 
Acidrain09's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 242
Grams: 2,818.70
Groans: 3
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Acidrain09 can see the Karmic Tunnel of Life
Thanks: 30
Thanked 30 Times in 23 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

Your speaking with the mind of the brainwashed. Your are tought to think that "theres no other solution" when in actuality the absance of a system might be the best solution. Stores are also not a nessisity, why need a supermarket when theres trees with wild deer? Cities create so much poloution and destruction its amazing. I am only asking you to question what has been cast out of the mind by "education." The government has caused everything I have stated, and if it continues... the world will be gone by 2050.

Edit- No, there dosn't always have to be a rich and a poor. Look at EVERY other species. Do you see one sect of anminals making things for others? I didn't think so. Why are we so much better than the other species, we live on the same earth, and we need to learn from them. Also, look to pre-civilazation, there were no social classes then either.

Last edited by Acidrain09 : 05-30-2008 at 03:49 AM. Reason: forgot to add somthing
Acidrain09 is offline Award Acidrain09 Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2008, 04:08 AM   #4
SpiralArchitect
The Cosmic Chronic
 
SpiralArchitect's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,654
Grams: 39,953.77
Groans: 86
Groaned at 22 Times in 19 Posts
SpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bank
Thanks: 3,799
Thanked 2,565 Times in 1,449 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: -1.000%
Default

Quote:
Your speaking with the mind of the brainwashed.
You don't even know me so don't insinuate I am brainwashed please I consider myself semi-enlightened thank you very much

Quote:
Your are tought to think that "theres no other solution" when in actuality the absance of a system might be the best solution.
So you'd rather opt for anarchy than order? No thanks.

Quote:
Stores are also not a nessisity, why need a supermarket when theres trees with wild deer?
Well, there are plenty of trees where I live but no wild deer I could live off of. Have any other suggestions? I guess I could start eating rocks, there are lots of those around... It's a simple fact that a lot of the world cannot live without globalization, thats one of the benefits of globalization and industrialization is you can have larger populations in places they normally couldn't survive.

Quote:
Cities create so much poloution and destruction its amazing.
Yes, they do make a lot of pollution and destroy a lot of land, but that how it sometimes goes... don't live in a city if you don't like that junk, simple as that. You can't expect all the cities to vanish and turn into pristine forests. Urban landscapes are here to stay

Quote:
I am only asking you to question what has been cast out of the mind by "education."
Don't worry dude, I already 'think for myself and question authority'. Thanks tho

Quote:
The government has caused everything I have stated, and if it continues... the world will be gone by 2050.
A lot of factors attributed to what you mentioned but the US government isn't solely to blame, that's ignorant and honestly giving the US way too much credit, . Also, I really doubt the world will be gone by 2050, but that's my opinion.

Quote:
Look at EVERY other species. Do you see one sect of anminals making things for others? I didn't think so. Why are we so much better than the other species, we live on the same earth, and we need to learn from them. Also, look to pre-civilazation, there were no social classes then either.
Okay wait-- are you comparing other animals way of life to humans? I don't see how that helps.
As you know us humans are pretty powerless when it comes defending ourselves, having no sharp teeth or claws and are relatively weak. We have a brain to allow us to create tools to get our food, make our shelter and increase the pleasure we derive from life. That is the human way. We aren't better than any other species, we are just different. We can't breathe underwater to catch fish or fly to catch fowl, we make nets and arrows for that purpose. That is how we survive, on invention and ingenuity.

You seem really passionate, if you are sincerely interested in this kind of stuff you should read Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto or Daniel Quinn's Beyond Civilization.
SpiralArchitect is online now Award SpiralArchitect Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to SpiralArchitect For This Useful Post:
SacredJellybean (05-30-2008), xX420zwill (07-24-2008)
Old 05-30-2008, 04:39 AM   #5
Acidrain09
Jr. Member
 
Acidrain09's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 242
Grams: 2,818.70
Groans: 3
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Acidrain09 can see the Karmic Tunnel of Life
Thanks: 30
Thanked 30 Times in 23 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

I'm just thinking, and my thoughts have led me to find that government (not only the us government) has caused all of this evil which has led to this poloution.
Sorry to say, but theres a pretty simple solution to all of the problems youve opted fourth.

"So you'd rather opt for anarchy than order? No thanks."
Anarchy is misconstrued in the minds of many, watch this and you might just change your mind =)

"Well, there are plenty of trees where I live but no wild deer I could live off of. Have any other suggestions? I guess I could start eating rocks, there are lots of those around... It's a simple fact that a lot of the world cannot live without globalization, thats one of the benefits of globalization and industrialization is you can have larger populations in places they normally couldn't survive.

Move somwhere that has wild deer, you obviously know that there wern't always citys. =)

"Yes, they do make a lot of pollution and destroy a lot of land, but that how it sometimes goes... don't live in a city if you don't like that junk, simple as that. You can't expect all the cities to vanish and turn into pristine forests. Urban landscapes are here to stay "

I would like to stress the "don't live in a city if you don't like that junk" point. Thats exactly the problem. If I were to move out of the city, what is that solving? Is it helping get rid of the pollution? No siree.

"Okay wait-- are you comparing other animals way of life to humans? I don't see how that helps.
As you know us humans are pretty powerless when it comes defending ourselves, having no sharp teeth or claws and are relatively weak. We have a brain to allow us to create tools to get our food, make our shelter and increase the pleasure we derive from life. That is the human way. We aren't better than any other species, we are just different. We can't breathe underwater to catch fish or fly to catch fowl, we make nets and arrows for that purpose. That is how we survive, on invention and ingenuity."

I knida think that your missing the point. I know that we are diffrent. I see that we are cursed with this brilliant mind bestowed uppon us. Our mindset is destroying the world, you can't argue that its not. Our earth has STOPED ITS NATURAL SUSTAINABILITY, and we (as the cause of the problem) should fix it.

edit- Yeah, I have read those books, and enjoied them. Thanks =)
Acidrain09 is offline Award Acidrain09 Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Acidrain09 For This Useful Post:
SpiralArchitect (05-30-2008)
Marijuana.com Sponsor
Advertisement
 
Old 05-30-2008, 04:46 AM   #6
Acidrain09
Jr. Member
 
Acidrain09's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 242
Grams: 2,818.70
Groans: 3
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Acidrain09 can see the Karmic Tunnel of Life
Thanks: 30
Thanked 30 Times in 23 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

Little off topic, but congratz on winning that picture contest, nice budz =)
Acidrain09 is offline Award Acidrain09 Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2008, 05:08 AM   #7
SpiralArchitect
The Cosmic Chronic
 
SpiralArchitect's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,654
Grams: 39,953.77
Groans: 86
Groaned at 22 Times in 19 Posts
SpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bankSpiralArchitect Robbed the rep bank
Thanks: 3,799
Thanked 2,565 Times in 1,449 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: -1.000%
Default

I am well aware of what anarchy is and how people often misunderstand what it really means. I just don't think it would work, but thats a whole 'nother discussion.

I like living where I live (Alaska), so I don't want to move.

Quote:
I would like to stress the "don't live in a city if you don't like that junk" point. Thats exactly the problem. If I were to move out of the city, what is that solving? Is it helping get rid of the pollution? No siree.
Well, offer a solution then. How do you expect to get every single urban landscape to suddenly just vanish? It's not going to happen, no matter how idealistic you are, Acidrain09. The only advice I can offer is for humanity as a whole to be more environmentally conscious in our doings, but that requires a lot of different things...

Quote:
I see that we are cursed with this brilliant mind bestowed uppon us. Our mindset is destroying the world, you can't argue that its not.
Cursed? Nah. I'd consider us pretty darn lucky, I wouldn't know it at the time, but I think I would hate being an animal. Also, I could argue that our mindset isn't destroying the world but I don't feel like it right now.

Oh yeah, thanks on the bud compliments.
SpiralArchitect is online now Award SpiralArchitect Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to SpiralArchitect For This Useful Post:
SacredJellybean (05-30-2008)
Old 05-30-2008, 05:24 AM   #8
Buzzby
Buddhist Curmudgeon
 
Buzzby's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,126
Grams: 42,230.64
Groans: 33
Groaned at 42 Times in 35 Posts
Buzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputation
Thanks: 483
Thanked 3,467 Times in 1,753 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

Your article and your comments make little sense to someone like me who has been trained in logic. For example:

Quote:
Stores are also not a nessisity, why need a supermarket when theres trees with wild deer?
There are six billion human beings on this planet. If you took a minute to think about it, you'd realize that you can't feed six billion people by hunting and gathering. That worked great when there were only a few million of us. As the population grew, they had to invent agriculture. If they hadn't, people would have starved.

Hunting and gathering societies never develop written language or technology beyond simple metal smelting. Is your proposal that we allow 99% of the people to starve to death and the rest go back to living like wandering nomads?
__________________
McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time.
Do we really want four more years of the same old shit?

~ Buzzby, 08/31/2008

Buzzby is offline Award Buzzby Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Buzzby For This Useful Post:
SpiralArchitect (05-30-2008)
Old 05-31-2008, 02:12 AM   #9
Acidrain09
Jr. Member
 
Acidrain09's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 242
Grams: 2,818.70
Groans: 3
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Acidrain09 can see the Karmic Tunnel of Life
Thanks: 30
Thanked 30 Times in 23 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

I do see what your saying Buzz, but I think that what I said has been misconstrued. I don't see agriculture as evil, not in the least. I don't see growing your own crops as evil, I just see fourcing Ethiopians to grow our crops as evil.

The world dosn't have to be so seperated into these social classes such as Rich/Poor, White/Black, Educated/Non-educated, or Civilized/Non-civilized. I believe that my solution MIGHT work, just as it almost worked in the 60's.
Acidrain09 is offline Award Acidrain09 Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2008, 02:14 AM   #10
Acidrain09
Jr. Member
 
Acidrain09's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 242
Grams: 2,818.70
Groans: 3
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Acidrain09 can see the Karmic Tunnel of Life
Thanks: 30
Thanked 30 Times in 23 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiralArchitect View Post

Cursed? Nah. I'd consider us pretty darn lucky, I wouldn't know it at the time, but I think I would hate being an animal. Also, I could argue that our mindset isn't destroying the world but I don't feel like it right now.

Oh yeah, thanks on the bud compliments.
I say cursed in the eyes of the planet. We are the only species forcing the world to drop its sustainability, and we should be the ones to fix it.
Acidrain09 is offline Award Acidrain09 Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Marijuana.com Sponsor
Advertisement
 
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:11 AM.


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52