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I have also always wondered about what blind people "see." In fact, a blind man came to my school and gave a speech last year and he got asked that very question.

I think I got a little further in my understanding of this as a result of my very first high... I was lying down in a tent outside with Pink Floyd on the stereo, and as I started to focus less and less on everything but the music, I started seeing (or just imagining) visuals that went with it. Like the visualisation features in WinAmp or similar programs, but infinitely better. Months later, when I was thinking about this, the thought entered my head that when you're high, there's much less difference between your real eyes and your mind's eye, and then I realised what I now believe to be the truth -- there really isn't a difference.

I don't think we perceive the world directly. When you see something or hear something, it feeds into your brain and your brain creates an image for you of what it thinks the outside world is like. You can influence this image yourself if you want (close your eyes and imagine seeing something or hearing something -- how much difference is there between that and "really" seeing or hearing?). How else do you explain hallucinations? People can sometimes really believe they see or hear something that, by all other accounts, simply wasn't there. Or what about dreams? If you stop to notice, dreams are just as visually detailed as real life, and somehow, you do see them, but of course you aren't seeing them through your eyes.

So, to bring all this back on topic, I think your 5 senses are all just factors in an equation that your brain uses to imagine what the world is like. I would guess that, for people who have less than 5 senses, the missing sense simply doesn't factor into the equation, and as a result the others are given more weight.

[Edit: another cool thing to think about is how bats can basically "see" with their ears by reflecting sound off objects. Their brains just interpret information from their ears differently than ours do.

http://howstuffworks.lycoszone.com/bat2.htm]

 

nw_stoner

I think I`d rather go blind, because if you were born blind, you would know that you are missing out on something, and you`d never be able to know what it was like. I think that would suck.


Think about this:


Reading is like hearing something that dosnt make a sound.

Like when you think, you can hear yourself thinking, but you`re not actually making any noise.

MicroBud

I have thought of many of these discussed topics for a while now. and i have been lately interested in lucid dreaming and astrl projection. And while you are dreaming your subcounce produces all of the images, feelings, and everything else you take in while sleeping. I believe that if your mind are able to produce images that arnt truely there, then it is able to produce and do much more than we know of. I think that anyone is capable of doing things such as moving objects with your mind, see into the past, future, read others thoughts, and much more. Although you just need to know the proper techniques of praticing and pratice for a long period of time.

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zoltron

I think that David Blaine guy has tapped into something mystical...& I'm not just talking that 43 day stunt over London Bridge, but if you've ever seen the guy perform magic...I think it goes deeper than that. Especially the levitation he can do anywhere. I believe the human mind is capable of way more than we're using it for, & in some cases, WAY, WAY more!!

beats

Sorry to burst your bubble zolt, I know how he does every single one of his tricks. But I won't just blurt them out, it'd ruin the fun. But he ain't no mystic.

Anyways, Do you think someone born blind can conjur an image in his/her head? Imagine a colour? Thats what I heard suggested, but how could they imagine it if they've never even seen anything remotely close to it. Literally, nothing.

But what DO they see..that's wierd.

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zoltron

I'll bet they just see whiteness. I would think...or total blackness. Not sure...
How does he make a playing card end up 30 ft down a bar with the chick's initials on it exactly stuck in some beer bottle...plus she tore it up? Enlighten us...I'll tell ya, I'm more impressed with that kind of illusions than some cat like Copperfield making the Space Shuttle disappear.

nw_stoner

I was watching this movie in school, and there was a blind guy in it. He said that it wasn`t black that he saw, but more of a gray fog that would never clear.

Loki's_Gardener

I dont know about blind people but I'm completly deaf. Unlike some unfortunate people, I wasnt born deaf. But after it happend, for the longest time, it was like I was still hearing things even though I knew I wasn't. I kept hearing sirens, especially when i was driving down a highway which freaked me out. It's sort of like phantom limb syndrome where i cant hear, but seems like still can. Maybe that helps you understand alittl bit.

SevenLeafs

All:

Human beings have been used to seeing, hearing, tasting, touching and smelling for so long that we take it for granted (and sometimes - when in philosophical discussions, such as this one - we tend to exaggerate their meaning).

We feel, smell, taste, hear and see all the time, even when we are sleeping. I do not mean that we see hear, etc., in our dreams too; I mean while we are sleeping/dreaming/meditating/any-other-thing-that-ressembles-"not thinking".

When we sleep, our brain still receives information about the things we hear (anything that might make a noise), see (total blackness when we are sleeping - and yet some of us sleep with their eyes slightly open, so the few images we see also reach our brain), feel (that pesky little brother who keeps nagging you to wake up by pushing you) and any other information that finds it's way to our mind. But notice I did not say "the other 2 senses", for there are more (I think much more than we can grasp). Here is where our blind folk, deaf people, and other... uhm... "unfortunate" (if you will) persons come into play (no offense intended, just trying to 'juice' up the post).

Blind people, for example, would still have the receivers of the eye's information, but there are no eyes to send that info to them. So what do they see?, well, probably what has been suggested before, a grey, monotonous pattern. Why grey? why not black, or completely white? Well, my explanation for this last would be that since there can be no absence of any (void or light) because none ever existed, then there is balance between the two; just enough light, just enough void = grey (what do you get when you mix black and white?). So, blind people do not see anything, they do not 'know' colors first hand (as we grateful can, by looking at anything), but they do second hand.

Blind folks can hear sounds; they can hear voices more clearly, therefore they can identify the tones in the words more accurately. They can feel more precisely, sensing textures we are not normally aware of; and many more things. Mind you, this is all very simple logic. Why, then, do they 'see' colors, images and the like? Well, I like to call this imagination.

Through our imagination we are able to grasp certain things, certain ideas, that many of us have, but in a different way. So, when the blind starts to hear about colors ("Oh! how beautiful is that tree. It's green leaves seem to wave at me from a distance"), they use their imagination to grasp that image, creating a color, a tree, and leaves all in the likeness of the 'creator' (off those... uhm... 'imaginations' if you will). My point is that they are able to 'see' what the others see, but in a very different way; to be more precise:

See, to perceive by the eye; to look at or behold.

This 2 first definitions - provided by the New Webster's Dictionary - refer to what we 'fortunate' people do, observe with the organ that is the eye so that we can perceive what is beyond ourselves.

See, (continuation) to perceive mentally; to form a conception or idea of; to understand; to comprehend; to visualize.

These other definitions represent what blind people 'see'. They are able to sum up what they feel and hear - and any other sense that might be involved - and they conjure up an image (a picture drawn by the memory or imagination [N.W.D.]) that let's them remember what they understood. Just like the people who can see (with their eyes) tend to associate what they understood (more often called what we felt) with the image of what was going on in that moment.

And what if what we 'seers' can observe at that moment is nothing (a completely black room, for instance)? Then we focus more on what we think, hear, feel, smell, and imagine, so that we are able to remember that moment later, just like the blind. All of this brings me to what I have been trying to tell everyone on this forum, and other:

We think through emotions, not words. Therefore, when we are blind, deaf, or the like, we associate what we perceive with the senses that are 'active' and group them up into one emotion.

This is why no toking session is the same; this is why ganja 'enlightens' us in a way we can't really explain how. Because, like I said in some other post, some other thread, we force balance into ourselves when we consume weed, because weed is balance.

It enables us to feel good and bad emotions at the same time (therefore, we feel relaxed, but we also tend to be a little paranoid at times; even when we are used to it) and then we are free to look at the world from every possible perspective, making it all the more interesting.

I hope you have enjoyed my commentaries, and I hope that you return the favor, for what comes around goes around

Peace.7L

PS: if you want to understand better what I have just said here, I suggest looking up the words 'see', 'image', 'visualize', 'picture', 'memory', 'imagination', 'behold', 'perceive', and 'understand' or 'comprehend'.

Good reading

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Higher Logic

Blind people don't see white or black, though most people think what they say is what we see when we close our eyes, they don't. It would be too hard to explain what they "see" since they don't. It's like me trying to explain to a deaf person what a lady singing sounds like, or what the color red is to a blind person.

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