SevenLeafs

All:

Human beings have been used to seeing, hearing, tasting, touching and smelling for so long that we take it for granted (and sometimes - when in philosophical discussions, such as this one - we tend to exaggerate their meaning).

We feel, smell, taste, hear and see all the time, even when we are sleeping. I do not mean that we see hear, etc., in our dreams too; I mean while we are sleeping/dreaming/meditating/any-other-thing-that-ressembles-"not thinking".

When we sleep, our brain still receives information about the things we hear (anything that might make a noise), see (total blackness when we are sleeping - and yet some of us sleep with their eyes slightly open, so the few images we see also reach our brain), feel (that pesky little brother who keeps nagging you to wake up by pushing you) and any other information that finds it's way to our mind. But notice I did not say "the other 2 senses", for there are more (I think much more than we can grasp). Here is where our blind folk, deaf people, and other... uhm... "unfortunate" (if you will) persons come into play (no offense intended, just trying to 'juice' up the post).

Blind people, for example, would still have the receivers of the eye's information, but there are no eyes to send that info to them. So what do they see?, well, probably what has been suggested before, a grey, monotonous pattern. Why grey? why not black, or completely white? Well, my explanation for this last would be that since there can be no absence of any (void or light) because none ever existed, then there is balance between the two; just enough light, just enough void = grey (what do you get when you mix black and white?). So, blind people do not see anything, they do not 'know' colors first hand (as we grateful can, by looking at anything), but they do second hand.

Blind folks can hear sounds; they can hear voices more clearly, therefore they can identify the tones in the words more accurately. They can feel more precisely, sensing textures we are not normally aware of; and many more things. Mind you, this is all very simple logic. Why, then, do they 'see' colors, images and the like? Well, I like to call this imagination.

Through our imagination we are able to grasp certain things, certain ideas, that many of us have, but in a different way. So, when the blind starts to hear about colors ("Oh! how beautiful is that tree. It's green leaves seem to wave at me from a distance"), they use their imagination to grasp that image, creating a color, a tree, and leaves all in the likeness of the 'creator' (off those... uhm... 'imaginations' if you will). My point is that they are able to 'see' what the others see, but in a very different way; to be more precise:

See, to perceive by the eye; to look at or behold.

This 2 first definitions - provided by the New Webster's Dictionary - refer to what we 'fortunate' people do, observe with the organ that is the eye so that we can perceive what is beyond ourselves.

See, (continuation) to perceive mentally; to form a conception or idea of; to understand; to comprehend; to visualize.

These other definitions represent what blind people 'see'. They are able to sum up what they feel and hear - and any other sense that might be involved - and they conjure up an image (a picture drawn by the memory or imagination [N.W.D.]) that let's them remember what they understood. Just like the people who can see (with their eyes) tend to associate what they understood (more often called what we felt) with the image of what was going on in that moment.

And what if what we 'seers' can observe at that moment is nothing (a completely black room, for instance)? Then we focus more on what we think, hear, feel, smell, and imagine, so that we are able to remember that moment later, just like the blind. All of this brings me to what I have been trying to tell everyone on this forum, and other:

We think through emotions, not words. Therefore, when we are blind, deaf, or the like, we associate what we perceive with the senses that are 'active' and group them up into one emotion.

This is why no toking session is the same; this is why ganja 'enlightens' us in a way we can't really explain how. Because, like I said in some other post, some other thread, we force balance into ourselves when we consume weed, because weed is balance.

It enables us to feel good and bad emotions at the same time (therefore, we feel relaxed, but we also tend to be a little paranoid at times; even when we are used to it) and then we are free to look at the world from every possible perspective, making it all the more interesting.

I hope you have enjoyed my commentaries, and I hope that you return the favor, for what comes around goes around

Peace.7L

PS: if you want to understand better what I have just said here, I suggest looking up the words 'see', 'image', 'visualize', 'picture', 'memory', 'imagination', 'behold', 'perceive', and 'understand' or 'comprehend'.

Good reading

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Higher Logic

Blind people don't see white or black, though most people think what they say is what we see when we close our eyes, they don't. It would be too hard to explain what they "see" since they don't. It's like me trying to explain to a deaf person what a lady singing sounds like, or what the color red is to a blind person.

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SevenLeafs

Higher Logic:

You seem to be evading the two definitions I stated in the previous post. The word "see", like many other words, has many meanings. In the blind-person discussion, we use a different meaning of the word, but we do not know we are doing it. We simply say, or ask: "What do blind people see?", without understanding that, like you say, blind people don't see because they don't have eyes, but they do see like we all see, very differently from one another.

7L