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Logos

Thanks Solutions, I'm not really interested in any specific commitment, just whatever flows from your soul through your fingers to enlighten the world to a system that appears to be working well.

Part of the reason I'm attempting to move marijuana.com from a site that just reposts news to a site where people express their opinions, and give the knowledge/experiences they have is to get away from the concept of commitment.

The old system required much more commitment from not only me, but the people who helped gather the news.

I'll take whatever you are willing to give, no more no less.

Thanks for your consideration, I look forward to hearing from you.

I envision a few of us are pushing a boulder, and a whole lot of people are sitting around toking it up, and chatting away. If everyone stood up and lended their weight, whatever that may be, to the pushing of the boulder, we could get it where it needs to be all that much faster.

We will become an activist site if I have to give up the sacred herb to get it done, that is how much I want change!

From today until marijuana laws become sane, I will wake up and envision that milling crowd standing up and lending their collective weight to moving this along.

Nothing to do but get it done!

"We need to stick together to make this beautiful place better" --KottonMouth Kings

Thanks,

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Suetaz

"There are 2 licenced commercial growers, they provide pharmacies with medical mj" - originally posted by solutions


Solutions,

Only 2? How large are these grow operations? Do the grow operations mostly supply medicinal users that are unable to grow their own? I agree with Logos, I would love to hear more about what life is like in Amsterdam. Also I was wondering if you have been there long enough to know what it was like prior to to the legalizaton of it. If it is legalized here in Canada I would like to know what to expect when it happens. I am wondering what kind of changes took place during the transition phase, how people reacted and how long it took society to accept the changes.
Too many questions? Sorry I am curious. I hope I've given you something to write about for the front page.

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solutions

Still contemplating on a somewhat structured contribution
I smoked my last joint a few months ago, it may well have been my last ever. I felt I used mj as an excuse for not getting things done. Since then (and being on this board) my disliking of this perversion of reason we call prohibition has grown. Funny in a way that not smoking mj for a while gives me a greater drive to get 'involved' in the war against this war on people. I salute your intention in making this an activist site, and hope I can find the time to make a contribution. I think knowledge of the Dutch 'experiment' is very valuable for the American cause, and the USA is essential for the worldwide fight against prohibition.I don't know how large these growers are, but they're very professional. These growers sell the MJ to the Office of Medicinal Cannabis (OMC), run by the Dutch government. (Click here for their homepage, their information in english is (still) limited, but the FAQ section is quite interesting). the OMC then sells to pharmacies who sell to patients with presciptions.

I was born in the Netherlands and live in Amsterdam since '94, I'm 28 now, mj has been decriminalized some 30+ years now, so no firsthand info on the times before, but my dad was no stranger in the Dutch mj-scene in those days, I was probably born with THC in my blood.

The Canadian Senate commission is very interesting. Dutch decriminalization started with 2 commissions ('68 & '72) concluding decrim of mj was the best way to reduce harm. Click here for an article on those commissions and the beginning of Dutch decriminalization. The writer of this article (Cohen, the Amsterdam "drug professor") was one of the experts heard by the Canadian Senate. Click here for his hearing. Canada now has a lot of unbiased expert information available online, and their conclusion was very clear. Within a few years I expect Canada has completely decriminalized personal use. Then again, I read in Cohen's hearing the Canadian Le Dain commission in '73 came to the same conclusion as the Dutch commission.....

As for the transition phase, if I remember correctly there were these hippies with political manifestations, including "mari-hoe, mari-wat, mari-waar" (mari-how,-what,-where). The idea was that every hippie had tinfoil-wrapped marijuana-like substances on him/her, with the purpose of driving the police (then uneducated on mj) crazy. I'd have to research that further though. I'm not sure if this was large scale, or in any way contributing to decrim. I know there were petitions to politicians those days with the slogan "een tevreden roker is geen onruststoker" (A satisfied smoker is no troublemaker)Not at all, is that all you got? Bring 'em on! Peace.

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Suetaz

Damn you're good Solutions! Wish I could've gotten that kind of response when I asked a question in school, maybe I would've learned more. Thank you for taking the time! Now I have to go back and click on all your links, this ought to keep me busy for a while...I love this, my brain feels like a sponge eager to soak up information. I didn't believe my teachers when they said learning was fun, but now that I'm older and have a choice of what I want to learn, I've discovered they were right.

Logos

Wow, that was great Solutions. I have to agree with Suetaz. Learning is fun when it isn't forced on you.

I could almost take what has transpired here and make a front page article out of it.

Thanks for all of the information. I don't have the time to digest it now, but look forward to a day when I do.

Logos

 

Higher Logic

Speaking of tobacco, American tobacco has a higher concentration of Radium in it, compared to tobacco grown in India or the Middle East. The added chemicals probably don't help either. I don't believe those tobacco commericials anymore than I believe the marijuana ones. Why should I believe them on that issue when they don't tell the truth on other issues. It's like the issue about second hand smoke causing disease, this study is again a half-truth, and if you look at the study, it holds no water. It's just used to make the rest of the country put no-smoking bans in restaurants and whatnot. Land of the free my ass

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Logos

Nice Sig (not cig) there Red...

My own conspiracy opinion on tobacco is that the properties of the plant are quite spiritual in nature, and the only way that it can be subdued so that the powermongers can take over is by putting poison in it then telling everyone that tobacco is deadly. It wasn't deadly until corporations became the primary manufacturers.

I say instead of telling us all about the nasty stuff that is in it, force the people producing it to make a pure product.
It doesn't bother me at all that they get sued, I almost wish they would be sued out of business... Never happen, but hey, I'll wish for anything...

I'm growing my own, did a test grow in a pot inside last year, this year I'm going to throw some seeds out that my plants produced and see what comes of it.

Probably ilegal or something... No, you can't have your own plants, you have to buy the poisoned stuff..

To the natives of this land tobacco was their most sacred plant. I have a lot of respect for the ways of the natives, and I even equate the changes I would like to see in the marijuana reform movement to the natives dropping their feudal wars to join forces to fight the invaders (read rich white men)...

solutions

I found some more on that. The following is ca. 10% of the illustrated article "Dutch Provos" that ran in HighTimes in january 1990, written by Dutch photographer Teun Voeten source:

(edit) I hadn't heard of the "Afrikaanse Druk Stoor" before. This seams to have been a marijuana-outlet that opened in 1963. A google search only gives Teun Voeten as a source. The "Mellow Yellow", which opened in 1972 is generally regarded as the first Dutch coffeeshop (more).

Logos

And maybe that is just what this movement needs, a little fun insanity. Though I don't much like the idea of wasting such a precious resource on pranks, it could cost someone else their life. Though I'd have to admit it would be fun.

Could something like this work without harming someone who really needs the cops who would be playing?

While I love this idea, I just don't know if it could be done without some harmful side effect.

Anyone got any thoughts? If it worked once, it could be made to work again somehow.

beats

Maybe doing it in places cops are searching you anyways Like entering a concert, at an airport (maybe). There should be a game, if someone could put some thought into it, that wouldn't have any harmful side effects.

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