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Old 07-20-2004, 11:41 PM   #1
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I agree that it ain't the best for all tasks, but i think perception is a bit more complex that.



What we see thru our eyes is not necessarily *reality*. Like those folks that are born blind and get their eyes fixed later. When they remove the bandages, they can't see anything, but colors and shapes that don't mean anything to them. The brain has to *learn* what those colors and shapes mean. What the brain does is build a 3d model of the outside world and *that's* what we *see*. So, that is our baseline perception. It is learned in our sober, left-brained state.
What marijuana does is shift our perception slightly from the dominant left hemisphere to the right side. The left side is all reason, language and math, which gives us a certain slant on our perception. The right side gets more into intuition and nonverbal thinking. So, these two sides influence our *perception* big time.
I started out a very much left-brained person. When i got stoned, the shift was pretty dramatic. My stoned thoughts just didn't make much sense when i got straight. After many years of being stoned most of the time, the shift became less so. These days, my left and right brained thoughts and actions are much closer together and more right-brained.
We are constantly learning by modifying our inner model of the universe (our baseline perception), and that model is constantly dependent on our mental state.
When we think about something, we are working from that internal model. Above is the model i'm working from. If your model is different, your perception will be different, too.

But reality isn't what we see, it is what we think. Interpretations of the brain, even vision falls into that category.


Where did you learn that information on cannabis affecting the left and right hemispheres of the brain? To my knowlege the biggest difference in use comes from gender, with males using a half more than the other, and female using both. I think cannabis works on the brain in a less significant way, "tricking" the brain to respond.


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Old 07-21-2004, 05:20 AM   #2
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But reality isn't what we see, it is what we think. Interpretations of the brain, even vision falls into that category.
Exactly Soda. That's what i'm trying to say. So marijuana changes the way the brain interprets input. The point is that it is already an interpretation governed by a subconscious system that we really don't understand very well. The split brain model described by Betty Edwards is basically the model that works for me. Coupled with the functions of the r-complex, reptilian brain, it best describes how the system seems to work.

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Where did you learn that information on cannabis affecting the left and right hemispheres of the brain? To my knowledge the biggest difference in use comes from gender, with males using a half more than the other, and female using both. I think cannabis works on the brain in a less significant way, "tricking" the brain to respond.

Since i was a kid i could lose myself in almost any kind of project. It was kind of a trance state, where time didn't register and i was oblivious to what was going on around me. I wasn't *thinking* with the brain i used the rest of the time. When i first read about split brain theory, years ago, it struck a chord with me, because that's exactly what it felt like, like a different mode of thinking that didn't use words. Like i had shifted emphasis from one to the other. Over the years i experimented with some of the exercises designed to strengthen the right side. I found i gained some measure of control over the modes. For awhile, when i couldn't get someone to shoot pool with, i shot pool, left hand against right. One time i wore an eye patch over one eye or the other and kept track of how my mode changed. I found that the process helped integrate the two (or three or more) sides of my nature. =-)

My brother and i talked alot about those modes and how much fun it was to do things like race cars. That was our thing at that age and both of us agreed that the mode we got into on the track was that same kind of trance mode. He smoked pot before i did and told me, "Jim, it's just like driving!" That model seems to match what i've experienced, so that's what i use.

It also seems to me that individuals vary a great deal in how they use their various modes of thought. I found that it didn't really take much practice to improve my ability to shift back and forth or use both hemispheres at once. Betty Edwards uses the example of drawing a circle on the blackboard while talking. She found it difficult to do. If she thought about what she was saying, the circle got lopsided. If she thought about the circle, she stopped talking. I tried it and she was right, but no sooner did i understand the problem, my hemispheres got the conflict straightened out and i could draw circles and talk with ease.

So, how we use our brains determines how it's gonna work... you know, to some degree. How we are brought up. What kind of projects we get lost in. They all mold how your system is gonna work. Seems to me pot helps some parts of the brain work better, however those functions are described.
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I can't say I agree with your ideas of shifting sides of the brain. It isn't like one side is a personality to itself with its own pros and cons and the other side is more creative or something, I wouldn't suggest trying to familiarize yourself with your brain from other people. You are your brain. Your mental voice reading this in your thoughts right now. I think that we, ironically, are above our own comprehension.
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Yes I do believe this to be true for I was high last night a thought of self tinted headlights you got light in the dark and dark in the light then relized once I came down that it would work cuz the lights would cause them to tint themselves. I thought it was hilarous. But in my line of work I don't smoke on the job. I'm a demolistionist so if I was high on the job and got careless people could get hurt.
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