manny

(See the first comment under the next paragraph)
It sounds like you've been smoking with some human beings lately. Watch out. They're ruthless, especially if you taste good.

I know of more stoners who've volunteered in social service work than non-stoners. This is because
1. I don't know any non-stoners who've volunteered there and
2. all the stoners I know who volunteered did so because the conditions of their probation mandated that they do some form of community service. Therefore, I think your observation is a comment on human nature as a whole. No one likes to give up their free time, or their money, or anything, for that matter. Maybe our backstabbing capitalist society has something to do with that, but that's another rant for another thread.

Bare-minimum generosity? Do you have the time? Giving the time of day is the canonical example of bare-minimum generosity. It costs about 2 seconds of time and no money, unlike weed, which can cost $100-$300+ an ounce.

Most stoners smoke to giggle, relax, and unwind from a day which may or may not have been productive. If they smoked with the aim of improving their intellectual and literary skills and their productivity, maybe the conversation would be more interesting.

Yes, I agree that drug use should not be the sole basis for deciding who to vote for, especially in times of war - human lives hold the priority right now. I have no reciprocation to this argument other than to say that cannabis users are directly and indirectly affected by the drug war and thus are more likely to think seriously about cannabis law reform.

I really hope that the vast majority of stoners don't fit your stereotype, and those that do will read your post carefully and reconsider their self-indulgent ****tiness. But I'm a dreamer, and I've met some pretty stereotypical stoners before, so I can only hope.






Did I do anything recently that didn't benefit me? If you're reading this, you're at the end of it.

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huntcc02

^^^ Manny, you basically proved my point, but tried to justify yourself by saying "Its ok, we are just humans."

EG: Its ok that stoners only volunteer when they are forced to, they are just humans. Its ok that stoners smoke pot so they can become less intellectual, we are just humans.


What I'm trying to say is that when stoners hang out with other stoners, they begin to think that no one volunteers, no one spends the majority of their free time making their thought process more complex, instead of less-so. And I didn't mean for it to come out that only potheads have these pitfalls, maybe I should've replace "potsmokers" with "lazy people," but the fact remains that marijuana is used as a tool to get lazy by a majority of the people who use it.

"Most people aren't willing to go the extra mile because if you walk the extra mile, all you come out with is sore legs."

This is the kind of thinking that potsmokers advocate, and its wholely untrue. He who laughs last laughs best, thats the old proverb; and its true. The potsmokers around me are learning just enough to pass in college, and I am hardpressed to find an acception (throughout over 20 smokers, which is a fair swath of the population; large enough that its not just a coincidence). The nonsmokers are working on school in their freetime and learning such vast amounts more than the nonsmokers so as to lap them in the educational race.

"Marijuana also opens your perceptions of reality. Perhaps these stoner friends of your have realized that college is about getting the piece of paper at the end, and very little else matters."

Again, same story. College is about experience, finding yourself, and learning about what you want to do in life and how best to do it. If you take college as only a search for that degree in the end, it IS useless, but thats not how it was designed nor meant to be taken.

PsYch0siS

Well, this is a really long post. I'll probably read it later, but I want to comment before I forget what I want to say.

Just about every day that I work, I do some sort of extra prep work. Unless, of course, we only have a few things to do. In that case, the extra prep's been paying off, and we have a nice easy day ahead of us.

Unless I've only got a bowl or two to my name, I ALWAYS leave something behind for a friend in need. And they've done the same for me. Although, it is nice to smoke with friends -- as will be explained below

I've noticed a problem speaking lately. It's either me or the pot, but I don't want to draw conclusions yet. Anway, some of the most deep and intellectual conversations I've ever had was completely baked off my ass. My group of friends and I have discussed everything from politics to religion to video games to T & A and back again.

If I was in, or knew anybody in the military, I'm sure the war would affect me more than it does. Also, if I didn't carry a bitter resentment for my military ex, I'd care more than I do. However, aside from getting a raise at work, and speed laws (which make sence), marijuana reform and hemp laws are one of my bigger concerns.

It is the smoker, not the smoke who brings about self-centeredness. Go toke and TRY to say something smart.

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huntcc02

"It is the smoker, not the smoke who brings about self-centeredness. Go toke and TRY to say something smart."

I hate this point of view, and many smokers hold it. It attempts to present the idea that marijuana does nothing to affect one's conscious or subconscious decision making. It tries to say that when pot-smokers have problems, the problem is with the person, not the drug; that there is nothing wrong with the smoke, just the smoker. Well here is a newscast for you people out there: DRUGS CHANGE PEOPLE. Whether or not you will admit it, smokers are distinctly different than their non-smoking counterparts. When pleasure mechanisms are able to be controlled without the need for actual accomplishments, people are changed.

Now I am not suggesting that everyone who smokes pot is negatively effected by smoking it, and I'm sorry if it came across like that. But when the kid who posted up above me that he hates weed (post: I HATE WEED)presented solid evidence that he had a problem with pot, that it had assisted in his introverted, anti-social behavior, the lot of you told him that the problem was with him, and not with his smoking pot. That certainly there was something else besides the pot that was causing him to become insecure about himself. Well marijuana CAN produce introverted, anti-social behavior in smokers. Marijuana CAN produce problems in people's life. Marijuana IS psychologically addictive, more-so than chocolate, which is used in comparison to try to prove pot harmless. It is not the wonder drug that many of you out there seem to claim it as, and I know I am not the only one who knows this.

Cassius

I think most of us would be the first to say that marijuana is not for everyone.

What we're saying, is that if it causes a problem in your life, it's because you allow it to cause that problem. Just because you allow it to make you antisocial, doesn't mean that the drug itself causes antisocial behavior.

I completely agree that not everyone has the willpower to keep marijuana in moderation, and I personally know a few people that I'm thankful don't smoke. I also know a few that do smoke, and I can see how they're letting it ruin their lives.

However that is not a reason to go out and start telling people "marijuana ruins lives". Just because someone cannot exert self-discipline on themselves, doesn't mean I should be forbidden the substance that they use to escape reality. And that's exactly what the prohibitionists try to spread: the idea that because some people can't handle it, "it's bad" and no one should be allowed the responsibility of trying to handle it for themselves.

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godfather

Marijuana affects people in different ways. I have a friend I have never smoked with because of what my other friends have said about how he gets when he is high. They say he can get a bit offensive; he is probably calm most of the time, in the high mood.

Weed doesn't make me lazy, I'm just that way. I only want to do things that interest me. I only want to learn things that interest me, and the way I learn them has to be interesting to me, which most of the teachers at my school fail to do. I don't really want to go to college, I want to persue my dream, and unfortunatly I don't get much support from anyone but myself. I have had to stop using weed for a while but I was more motivated on weed then I am now. Maybe because it reduced some of the effects from the pills I have to take. Maybe it was because I was sharing in an activity with freinds. Also I always shared my weed, no matter how many people. Sure it was better if there were less people, but I didn't mind, because they had shared with me before. I do not think marijuana is a maricle drug, because if it was, it would cure people of their afflictions, rather than releiving their symptoms.

Then again, maybe I am just weird.

Suetaz

Everything I do benefits me. Whether I do something for myself or someone else, I benefit from it. Doing something for someone else makes me feel good and useful, so I benefit from it. The only time I could say I did something and didn't benefit from it would be when I stub my toe, or bang my elbow. I don't benefit from the pain and it does not remind me not to do it again, because I'm a clutz and I don't have a choice.

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MaryJane009

I dont agree with most of it I think.. Firstly I love going above and beyond on tasks set;provided that the task set is somethin i enjoy, if I dont like it of course im not going to push the effort level because it becomes tedius and not very entertaining.

Secondly, I dont look at myself as self centered, if a good mate of mine has just lost their job, or a major thing has happened concerning them, I wouldnt hesistate to share my pot with them even without smoking it, ive done it several times. They need it more than me although I would like it i know they are going through more at the time, friends are forever.

Thirdly, Although my spelling may not be perfect that does not limit me to the way i speak,and i do not by any means think i speak as you would say 'dumb' because I enjoy learning and understanding more terminolgy and vocabulary its part of life so it should be understood.

Lastly, Marijuana is a major aspect in my life, for many reasons but mostly because it opens my knowledge about the world and my understanding to alot more things i wouldnt dream of understanding if i were sober. I think it should be an aspect of everybodys life.

Pot smokers should be allowed to buy weed and smoke while giving to the poor as well, i support charites for the unfortunate out there whilst still keeping a good outlook on life through marijuana.

But by no means am I trying to offend you, I respect you for speaking your mind as well its a good debate haha

Keep tokin

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macphearsome

you realize this thread is 5 years old right?

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sterbo

Yea mate, but philosophically speaking,
It's an oldie but a goodie...

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