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Buzzby

First of all, drugs can't teach you anything. They don't contain text, pictures, concepts, insights, or ideas. All they are are chemicals that interact with your nervous system. If there is any knowledge or insight coming out of an experience with a drug, it comes out of your own mind. The drug simply gets whatever blockage prevented the realization out of the way.

The spiritual world is all around us. As Jesus said, "The Kingdom of God is at hand." This doesn't mean that the Last Days are right around the corner. After all, it's been 2000 years since he said that. It means that if your eyes are opened you will see what has been around you all the time. Drugs can be a trigger to open your eyes.

Ram Dass said that drug experiences are like a visit with the guru. A visit with a highly evolved spiritual person can show you what spiritual advancement can be like. It doesn't make you the guru. That's something that comes only with a great deal of effort and long practice. We all have that potential within us. Manifesting it is largely a matter of getting rid of many conceptions of who you are and how the world is. Enlightenment is more a process of eliminating internal obstructions rather than of bringing knowledge in from the outside.

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dedbr

In answer to the threads original question, " Only the superficial use drugs for spiritual aspects?" , sprituality comes to us all in different ways. No one can predict a spiritual awakening or acknowledgement of such. In my opinion, to be a true spiritual experience, it can happen anywhere at any time, you don't get to choose.

To say I use a drug to obtain my spritual place is used around the world, and has been for thousands or year's. Drug's are still used in religions in the United States, so I suppose that not all these people are superficial.....

To say I had a "spiritual awakening" when I used a certain drug could be true, because certain drugs help me immensely with the common sense side of spirituality, and I appreciate that........

Like I always say though, uh, well, let's just leave it at that. The truth for you may not be mine, but some of us know that true sprituality is all around us and we can use it for whatever use we so choose in our lives.

Live a good life and be kind to others. Even crackheads.......


Some Where In Ded Land.......

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Richi

I would say drug's are a shortcut to the spiritual realm. And as with all shortcuts, you don’t appreciate what you got the easy way, unless you go get it the hard way.

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dedbr

Maybe for some. Sure. But the kind of spirituality I know and understand now didn't come from drugs. It came from the way it opened my mind to other possibilities, that this wasn't it, this life we lead as drudges of the rich and powerful.

Spirituality is all around you. It comes in many forms and ways we sometimes don't understand, but it is there nonetheless. If a drug opens up your mind to this chance for awareness, that is fine. True spirituality can and must be found as each man seeks their path. At the same time, we must be tolerant of those who do not understand what the herb can do for a person......

It can be the dawn of awareness.......


Some Where In Ded Land..........

Sukhavati

To speak specifically of marijuana, it can help slough off the mortal coil of awareness, easing the day-to-day manifestations of worry that limit life and thinking, and thus creativity or the touch of God.

It is ever so easy to sit in judgment of someone else's spiritual experience and it is ultimately wrong. I will be the first to agree that there are a lot of whacked people out there doing a lot of really strange mumbo-jumbo, including drugs, to try to get to God.

I myself have had many enlightened thoughts in the presence of altered body chemistry which resulted from imbibing a variety of drugs through the years. Some of the most profound experiences I had came from meditating after being awake in excess of 48 hours straight. (Nope, those experiences weren't from drugs, but from chronic pain. For several years, I experienced such facial pain that I could feel the chart of my skull as a blind person might read a map made of braille.)

Keep in mind that deriding someone else's spiritual experience is touchy territory. It's the stuff of wars. And, yes, it's just plain bad manners. I can, and have, stereotyped the bikers at Sturgis who make several hundred thousand a year and bought their first bike at 40-something. Now they are big bad bikers. Ok. Sure. Easy target. But maybe they are as much a part of the biker community as any other individual. Who am I to judge.

Last note from a rambling mind... It's easy to dive into the realm of the Gods with drugs. I've seen many people do it, return with knowledge, only to lose it because the experience was too frightening or not approached with any sense of honor. Or not explored properly afterward or prepared for before hand.

If an individual is seeking spiritual enlightenment, then getting smashed, ripped, stoned, and drunk is not going to provide much more than a blurry look. A questing mind needs material to work with. So, read damnit. Campbell, Jung, Nietzche, Watts, to name a few. Read the old texts and the new.

Personally, I have lived an over-adventurous life that reads like an Elmore Leonard novel. Thus, I believe its often best to escape the notice of the gods altogether.

Sukhavati

Those whom heaven helps we call the sons of heaven.
They do not learn this by learning.
They do not work it by working.
They do not reason it by using reason.
To let understanding stop at what cannot be understood is a high attainment.
Those who cannot do it will be destroyed on the lathe of heaven.
- Chuang Tse

 

JaKa

I finally got around to smoking before philosophy class and that was the day I began to understand what I was learning. Though I am on a break with smoking, it has allowed me to see things in a different light that I don't believe I would have ever seen sober. Some of those things I experienced may have been fantasy, but some were real. There is no doubt that I see things differently now, and I like to think that it was the herb that helped me see this.