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teufelfisch · 08-30-2004, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NeoArcadian

Have you ever though, what if some really crazy crap happened and what the conciquences would be? Like what if the earth was caught in a black hole or if we could go the speed of light.

Crazy huh?

If there was a black hole close to the Earth, I think it would pull us away from the Sun, and we would freeze.

NeoArcadian · 08-30-2004, 04:22 AM

Sorry. I didn't mean so much on a molecular level as what are within the molecules. Electrons. The quarks that make up the electrons. They may show some symmetry but to be symmetric they have to be exact.

NeoArcadian · 08-30-2004, 04:24 AM

It is a little more coplicated then that. It would screw up even the very time and space around us. By the time we were close enough to get pulled in, the gravitational forces between one side of earth and the other would be so great the earth itself would be ripped apart.

manny · 09-26-2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoArcadian

And here's a little information that I thought might go well in this topic: There was a particle smasher created in 1999 called RHIC. It was much more powerful than all of the other atom smashers to date because it could smash gold atoms together. By smashing two of the same atoms together you could create new types of particles out of thin air. Most of them wouldn't last for more than a few billionths of a second but they were still there.

With the ability to smash as dense of a matter as gold you could create much more powerful and substantial particles. One such particle was why the project was put on delay. It was called a strange quark nugget. The SQN (strange quark nugget) would only be dangerous if it was negative and could last for more than one billionth of a second. If those requirements were met it would latch on to a proton, this would change it's charge to positive, then it would "eat" electrons until it switched back to negative. This would continue until it would be about 100 times its original size, then the dangerous thing would occur.

The electric charge of the strange quark would cause electrons and their anti-matter counterpart’s positrons to be created. The positrons would stick to the stranglet causing it to be surrounded in a cloud of positive energy. The positive pull of the cloud surrounding the stranglet would cause all the atoms within the vicinities electrons to be sucked out of the atoms and to be "eaten" by the stranglet causing it to get bigger. This process would continue until there was no matter left to be "eaten."

The thing is, if the atom smasher named RHIC created a negatively charged strange quark nugget on earth, we would all die because all of the matter of the earth and the surrounding area would turn into dark matter. So instead of having earth and the moon there would be one really big invisible ball of dark matter that if it continued to grow by "eating" other planets and such could destroy the entire universe.

How did they get rid of the first strange quark nugget? Or didn't they...

Hi5inferno · 09-26-2004, 07:15 PM

well, talking about black holes and the earth being destroyed, it would really depend where the black hole came from.
If a microscopic black hole was created in something similar to the RHIC neoarcadian described, the blackhole would be attracted to the gravity of the earth and eventually sink down to the core and EAT US ALIVE FROM THE INSIDE!

but if there were a blackhole flying around space and our solar system happened to be near it, the sun and it would probably start orbiting each other. The black hole has to be at least a few times more massive than our sun, since you need a sun of a certain mass to collapse into a blackhole. so the blackhole would orbit our sun eventually f*ckin up all the planets orbits and ripping them apart if they got too close.
so either earth would be ripped apart by the blackhole, thrown into the sun, or thrown out of the solar system.

AYWMS NWIAm · 10-20-2004, 05:44 AM

higher logic and neo's 3rd question. i just happened to learn somthing today about time. under newtonian mechanics time was just a backdrop extending from -infintly to +infinity. however its definition has changed since then. now time can only exist if you have two events changing that can be related to eachother. so time can't really be related to the human brain so muach as we define time and the difference between to objects over time. so there is to absolute time. it changes depending on where you stand as you stated, time changes depending on your speed.

first statment
we(the earth) could not be caught in a blackhole unless we were already dead. b/c we would be way off course as a planet
the closest object to the earth that could become a black hole would be the sun but we are out side of its radius of gravitational pull if it were to explode and become a blackhole. so we would cont. to rotate around the suns mass and die b/c we have no light.

2nd statment
if we were going the speed of light....the rest of the universe would not be moving(is one way to put it). time would be stopped. and reletivly speaking maybe we are moving the speed of light and light is not moving at all?? the speed of light is absolute, unlike time which changes. no matter how fast you are moving the speed of light is constant.

camd0g1 · 10-20-2004, 11:02 AM

Does anyone know much about the theory of parallel universes, or the "multiverse". Ive had a few discussions with friends but mostly just ramblings. I think the basic theory is that if the universe is infinite, then there must be infinite universes.

Movies which touch on this are "the butterfly effect", "Donnie Darko" (more tangent universes, but a similar idea) and most importantly the TV show "sliders". Where they travel to a different version of Earth every week. Could this situation be possible?

teufelfisch · 10-20-2004, 05:54 PM

Parallel Universes is one theory used to explain how some things in quantum theory happen. For example, in quantized chemical relationships, action at a distance with no perceivable cause is possible. In other words, you can change the spin state of an electron six feet away (or two miles, or six lightyears.. the distance doesn't matter) simply by changing the spin state of the electron with which it is paired.

The parallel universe theory is only one of many theories that could be used to explain these sort of phenomena. Science Fiction has picked up on it, and it has gained immense public popularity from writers like Michael Chrichton, and from movies and television shows like the ones you mentioned. However, many scientitsts are very very skeptical about the parallel universes theory. There are simply too many issues it leaves uncovered; too many holes in it to be accepted as anything more than a nifty idea in the scientific community.

It could possibly be true, but we haven't gotten that far in research. I prefer to conjure up my own speculations about how such phenomena can exist. Universal Electromagnetic Harmony, yeah baby!

NeoArcadian · 10-21-2004, 07:09 AM

I also found out something interesting...

If you knew the position of every bit of matter and energy in all of exsistence you could tell the future of everything from then to eternity.

Of course that is just a theory but it does seem interesting.

Either way though, yeah, if the Earth was near a black hole it would be very far off course and we would all be dead but if it were on course and we just happened to go through the event horizon of a black hole for some reason what I said before would theoretically happen.

Also, something I just remembered from a long time ago...

Black holes have a limited life span. You would think that because they just gain more and more matter and just become more and more powerful that they wouldn't but they do. The life span of them is a very long one but it is still not infinite.

Also, it is impossible for our sun to turn into a black hole, it does not have the required mass to cave into itself enough to create a black hole. At most it would create a white dwarf.

Also, they never created a strange quark nugget because the RHIC program was shut down before it was completed. It still would have been interesting to see what would have happened though.

Either way though, this doesn't have anything to do with theoretical physics but it does seem ever so slightly interesting.

When I was little I always had the fantasy of creating large powerful weapons to drestroy "bad guys." You know, every little boy's fantasy.

A few years ago I created the specs and idea behind one. If I had some money I could make it.

Basically a Plasma Rifle/cannon.

Take a "Bullet" of the element Osmium, the densest metal on earth, and in the "Bullet's" hollow center put liquid Trillium and Detrillium. Trillium and Detrillium and derivitives of hydrogen and were used to create the hottest temperature on earth of 9,000,000 degrees F.

Then use high frequency Electro-magnetic waves to heat the bullet up. When fired the bullet would instantly soar to about 8-9 thousand degrees F. Then, upon impact, the Trillium and Detrillium mixture contained within the bullet would escape and would increase to a temperature of about 28-32 thousand degrees F.

Everything within a 100 foot radius would be incinerated into oblivion and then everything for a good 2-3 hundred feet would burst into flames.

In reality it is a horrible thing that I wish never to be created simply because of it's destructive force. Also, the user of the weapon would have to wear a very special suit made from a material that can withstand temps up to 9,000 degrees F. The material does exsist, it is just hard to get a hold of and even harder to make. I just can't remember the name of it.

Either way, I have rambled on long enough.

Any questions?

Yankee · 10-21-2004, 08:00 AM

About NeoArcadian’s posts:
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About NeoArcadian’s first post:
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For the 1st: if we were caught in a black hole we would be torn to pieces once we would be too close because there would be a significant gravity difference between the location of your head and the location of your feet. The difference in the amount of gravity between those two points is enough to tear matter apart.

For the 2nd: if time slows to a stop then the infinite gravity from our bodies would never collapse and implode us because the next frame of life in time never comes. Another way to look at it is that I think that a person from his own frame of reference could never travel at that speed (the speed of light).

For the 3rd: Perfect theory, but since the speed of time is relative to what’s around you and everything around you moves with you, we seem to experience life in this time or "real time". So it is senseless to say how slow in time are we going. What we must say is how slow in time are we going relative to what?
}

About NeoArcadian’s second post:
{
Towards the end: the only problem with antimatter is that it cannot coexist with matter. If all matter would instantaneously turn into antimatter thought, then our universe would obey the laws of antimatter. I don’t think we know enough about antimatter… like does it have gravity that pushes? If that is the case we would not be able to exist in a predominately antimatter world, but for other reasons I doubt that is not the case. I wonder if we would even notice if we suddenly did change to a predominately antimatter universe.
}

About NeoArcadian’s last post:
{
For the first part: If we could actually know the position of every bit of matter and energy in the universe today we would not be able to tell the future with our current processing power. It would take huge quantities of processing power that we by no means have today. Also, read up on the part of quantum mechanics that says it is impossible to know the position of every bit of matter and energy in the universe. If we could, does that means we have a stable destiny that cannot be changed? If we can’t, does that means we have a random destiny that could be changed? I wonder…
}

}

I g2g I can’t keep reading this thread for now; I will try to finish another day. You guys get mad off topic though. Also, I’m not sure how much I can trust my inferences when I’m high. This is the first post I write when being high so if I am wrong I am sorry. This is just some of what came to my head as I read this thread.

08-30-2004, 04:22 AM	#12
NeoArcadian Jr. Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 967 Grams: 836.45 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Sorry. I didn't mean so much on a molecular level as what are within the molecules. Electrons. The quarks that make up the electrons. They may show some symmetry but to be symmetric they have to be exact. __________________ "Hammered like a blacksmith, Stoned like a mountain." ME.

10-20-2004, 11:02 AM	#17
camd0g1 Jr. Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 187 Grams: 1,411.35 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Does anyone know much about the theory of parallel universes, or the "multiverse". Ive had a few discussions with friends but mostly just ramblings. I think the basic theory is that if the universe is infinite, then there must be infinite universes. Movies which touch on this are "the butterfly effect", "Donnie Darko" (more tangent universes, but a similar idea) and most importantly the TV show "sliders". Where they travel to a different version of Earth every week. Could this situation be possible? __________________ Money is a terrible master but an excellent servant. -P.T. Barnum

10-21-2004, 08:00 AM	#20
Yankee New Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3 Grams: 666.50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	About NeoArcadian’s posts About NeoArcadian’s posts: { About NeoArcadian’s first post: { For the 1st: if we were caught in a black hole we would be torn to pieces once we would be too close because there would be a significant gravity difference between the location of your head and the location of your feet. The difference in the amount of gravity between those two points is enough to tear matter apart. For the 2nd: if time slows to a stop then the infinite gravity from our bodies would never collapse and implode us because the next frame of life in time never comes. Another way to look at it is that I think that a person from his own frame of reference could never travel at that speed (the speed of light). For the 3rd: Perfect theory, but since the speed of time is relative to what’s around you and everything around you moves with you, we seem to experience life in this time or "real time". So it is senseless to say how slow in time are we going. What we must say is how slow in time are we going relative to what? } About NeoArcadian’s second post: { Towards the end: the only problem with antimatter is that it cannot coexist with matter. If all matter would instantaneously turn into antimatter thought, then our universe would obey the laws of antimatter. I don’t think we know enough about antimatter… like does it have gravity that pushes? If that is the case we would not be able to exist in a predominately antimatter world, but for other reasons I doubt that is not the case. I wonder if we would even notice if we suddenly did change to a predominately antimatter universe. } About NeoArcadian’s last post: { For the first part: If we could actually know the position of every bit of matter and energy in the universe today we would not be able to tell the future with our current processing power. It would take huge quantities of processing power that we by no means have today. Also, read up on the part of quantum mechanics that says it is impossible to know the position of every bit of matter and energy in the universe. If we could, does that means we have a stable destiny that cannot be changed? If we can’t, does that means we have a random destiny that could be changed? I wonder… } } I g2g I can’t keep reading this thread for now; I will try to finish another day. You guys get mad off topic though. Also, I’m not sure how much I can trust my inferences when I’m high. This is the first post I write when being high so if I am wrong I am sorry. This is just some of what came to my head as I read this thread.

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08-30-2004, 04:24 AM	#13
NeoArcadian Jr. Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 967 Grams: 836.45 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	It is a little more coplicated then that. It would screw up even the very time and space around us. By the time we were close enough to get pulled in, the gravitational forces between one side of earth and the other would be so great the earth itself would be ripped apart.

09-26-2004, 07:15 PM	#15
Hi5inferno New Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 72 Grams: 671.75 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	well, talking about black holes and the earth being destroyed, it would really depend where the black hole came from. If a microscopic black hole was created in something similar to the RHIC neoarcadian described, the blackhole would be attracted to the gravity of the earth and eventually sink down to the core and EAT US ALIVE FROM THE INSIDE! but if there were a blackhole flying around space and our solar system happened to be near it, the sun and it would probably start orbiting each other. The black hole has to be at least a few times more massive than our sun, since you need a sun of a certain mass to collapse into a blackhole. so the blackhole would orbit our sun eventually f*ckin up all the planets orbits and ripping them apart if they got too close. so either earth would be ripped apart by the blackhole, thrown into the sun, or thrown out of the solar system.

10-20-2004, 05:44 AM	#16
AYWMS NWIAm New Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 73 Grams: 700.80 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	higher logic and neo's 3rd question. i just happened to learn somthing today about time. under newtonian mechanics time was just a backdrop extending from -infintly to +infinity. however its definition has changed since then. now time can only exist if you have two events changing that can be related to eachother. so time can't really be related to the human brain so muach as we define time and the difference between to objects over time. so there is to absolute time. it changes depending on where you stand as you stated, time changes depending on your speed. first statment we(the earth) could not be caught in a blackhole unless we were already dead. b/c we would be way off course as a planet the closest object to the earth that could become a black hole would be the sun but we are out side of its radius of gravitational pull if it were to explode and become a blackhole. so we would cont. to rotate around the suns mass and die b/c we have no light. 2nd statment if we were going the speed of light....the rest of the universe would not be moving(is one way to put it). time would be stopped. and reletivly speaking maybe we are moving the speed of light and light is not moving at all?? the speed of light is absolute, unlike time which changes. no matter how fast you are moving the speed of light is constant.

10-20-2004, 05:54 PM	#18
teufelfisch Seasoned Activist Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,416 Grams: 2,715.20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Parallel Universes is one theory used to explain how some things in quantum theory happen. For example, in quantized chemical relationships, action at a distance with no perceivable cause is possible. In other words, you can change the spin state of an electron six feet away (or two miles, or six lightyears.. the distance doesn't matter) simply by changing the spin state of the electron with which it is paired. The parallel universe theory is only one of many theories that could be used to explain these sort of phenomena. Science Fiction has picked up on it, and it has gained immense public popularity from writers like Michael Chrichton, and from movies and television shows like the ones you mentioned. However, many scientitsts are very very skeptical about the parallel universes theory. There are simply too many issues it leaves uncovered; too many holes in it to be accepted as anything more than a nifty idea in the scientific community. It could possibly be true, but we haven't gotten that far in research. I prefer to conjure up my own speculations about how such phenomena can exist. Universal Electromagnetic Harmony, yeah baby!

10-21-2004, 07:09 AM	#19
NeoArcadian Jr. Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 967 Grams: 836.45 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I also found out something interesting... If you knew the position of every bit of matter and energy in all of exsistence you could tell the future of everything from then to eternity. Of course that is just a theory but it does seem interesting. Either way though, yeah, if the Earth was near a black hole it would be very far off course and we would all be dead but if it were on course and we just happened to go through the event horizon of a black hole for some reason what I said before would theoretically happen. Also, something I just remembered from a long time ago... Black holes have a limited life span. You would think that because they just gain more and more matter and just become more and more powerful that they wouldn't but they do. The life span of them is a very long one but it is still not infinite. Also, it is impossible for our sun to turn into a black hole, it does not have the required mass to cave into itself enough to create a black hole. At most it would create a white dwarf. Also, they never created a strange quark nugget because the RHIC program was shut down before it was completed. It still would have been interesting to see what would have happened though. Either way though, this doesn't have anything to do with theoretical physics but it does seem ever so slightly interesting. When I was little I always had the fantasy of creating large powerful weapons to drestroy "bad guys." You know, every little boy's fantasy. A few years ago I created the specs and idea behind one. If I had some money I could make it. Basically a Plasma Rifle/cannon. Take a "Bullet" of the element Osmium, the densest metal on earth, and in the "Bullet's" hollow center put liquid Trillium and Detrillium. Trillium and Detrillium and derivitives of hydrogen and were used to create the hottest temperature on earth of 9,000,000 degrees F. Then use high frequency Electro-magnetic waves to heat the bullet up. When fired the bullet would instantly soar to about 8-9 thousand degrees F. Then, upon impact, the Trillium and Detrillium mixture contained within the bullet would escape and would increase to a temperature of about 28-32 thousand degrees F. Everything within a 100 foot radius would be incinerated into oblivion and then everything for a good 2-3 hundred feet would burst into flames. In reality it is a horrible thing that I wish never to be created simply because of it's destructive force. Also, the user of the weapon would have to wear a very special suit made from a material that can withstand temps up to 9,000 degrees F. The material does exsist, it is just hard to get a hold of and even harder to make. I just can't remember the name of it. Either way, I have rambled on long enough. Any questions?

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