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Have you ever noticed that when you are stoned, thoughts come to you that seem so profound and simple, yet when you aren’t stoned, they seem somewhat absurd? People who don’t get stoned enjoy poking fun at this aspect of marijuana’s effects.

I’m constantly amazed at the depth that my thoughts achieve under even the slightest influence of this sacred plant.

Sacred, that is the key right there. This plant is sacred. Its use is a sacred act when practiced responsibly, with the intent of furthering ones understanding of the divine.

It has allowed me to comprehend the messages contained in the Bible, and it has also allowed me to realize that the Bible is merely a single chapter in the true book of our creators plan for us. If indeed there is one.

One of the interesting things that I remember from my early stoner days is my consciousness shifting to the point where I couldn’t remember what it was like to not be stoned, and when I wasn’t stoned, I couldn’t remember what it was like to be stoned. It was like I was experiencing two different aspects of the same consciousness. To this day I experience that effect.

Another thing that I noticed was that I was much more interested in watching the news, or the nature channel. The only conclusion I have been able to come to given these observations is that THC allows one to connect with a different aspect of ones consciousness. An aspect that is higher, or closer to the divine. Ones “Higher Self”.

These thoughts have invariably led me to question my own belief in things like God, the afterlife, and our purpose here in this reality. I have found books in my hands that led me toward answers to some of my questions, confirmed some of my own thoughts, and brought to mind even more questions.

What I would like to do is share some of these thoughts with all of you in the hopes that together we can come to a greater understanding regarding the spiritual aspects of the use of this plant. I intend to post these thoughts in fairly raw form. They will likely wander to and fro as a stoners thoughts tend to, and they probably won’t be quite as polished as the last few items I have posted along these lines.

My request to you is to contemplate the things I talk about and pose your own thoughts and perspectives on the subject.

Seek and ye shall find is one of those sayings that I didn’t really get until I began my search. Once I posed the right questions to myself, the answers practically found me.

I have a feeling that reality is not only stranger than we think, most likely it's stranger than we can think.

Contemplate the difference between stoned thought, and not stoned thought and share your observations. I’m very interested in hearing what you think about the sacramental use of cannabis, and the benefits that it has regarding your thought processes.

It all started one day while I was running a Bobcat moving dirt. It dawned upon me that the Golden Rule is the primary yardstick by which all religions measure themselves. I have simplified my own version to simply “Be Kind To Each Other”.

Take these seeds of thought, and cultivate them with your attention.

Contemplate also that sacramental use of the Cannabis Sativa plant is a Constitutionally protected activity.

A Church of sorts is being created with this post. I have become an ordained minister in order to lend a little seriousness to my spiritual rants. The name of this church is “The Holistic Church” (THC). There is no set doctrine, I like to take into consideration any belief system that moves one towards the divine. The only reference I have ever seen indicates more than 2000 different religions in the world, and I’m guessing that is quite conservative. I’m interested in finding the similarities instead of the differences between them. We have spent enough time categorized, and separate. It’s time to come together, and be free.

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Old 08-25-2004, 05:33 PM   #2
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I read somewhere once, that there are 9900 religions in the world and there are an average of 4 new religions that start up every day. I read that a few years ago, I'm sure the numbers are higher now. Humans are either leaders or followers and as more people become leaders, people start up more religions to cover our diverse personalities and desires. Most people need religion in their lives as guidance, laws of life, but they sometimes conform the laws to fit their lives. If their religion isn't working for them, they create their own.

To me, religion is all about personal opinion and how people interpret things differently. If more people got stoned when they contemplated religion and all things spiritual, would we have even more diverse religions, or would more people think the same?
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I'd like to vote, but I'm not sure what you mean by valid spiritual sacrament.
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Cannabis is used as religious sacrament by many Hindus in India.
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Old 08-26-2004, 02:38 AM   #5
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I've never had any Biblical or otherwise religious epiphanies while smoking, but I did notice that it helped me think "differently" about mathematics. For example, a couple of years ago, I was having trouble with an aspect of an engineering class I was taking: Thermodynamics. For the life of me, I just couldn't picture exactly what was going on with one of the concepts introduced in the class.

So, one night after struggling through some studying and trying to imagine what I needed to do with the finer aspects of heat transfer, I gave up, took a break, and smoked a bowl. Soon I began daydreaming, and eventually my (sporadic) thoughts returned to the torture that was thermo. And all of a sudden, the answer just hit me out of nowhere and I was able to correctly visualize what was happening in the problem – enough so that I was able to figure it out. From that day forward, if I had trouble in any of my engineering classes, I’d smoke a bowl and just kinda daydream a bit and eventually I’d get the correct visualization in my head that I needed in order to fully understand the concepts in class.
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I know what you mean, Mike. Physics problems are always easier if I'm a little high, if I'm in an environment where I can concentrate well. It helps me focus on what each symbol represents, instead of getting hung up on the abstract-ness of it all. I definitely have seen many higher scores for work done stoned. But if there's a distraction nearby, MJ can also hurt.

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Cent one: Should a religion be based on marijuana? No.
Cent two: Should marijuana be used to enhance one's spiritual life? Yes.

I don't think one can realistically base a religion around a plant's effects. It doesn't sound like that's what your religion is about, but if it is, please enlighten me.

*re-reads original post with above thought in mind*

Mmmkay, it sounds like what you're saying makes sense. The plant should be used to further one's understanding of the universe, because of the thoughts it provokes. With this I agree. But you imply, with the "Higher Self," that marijuana's high brings you closer to God through an altered consciousness. I'm not sure if I buy this fully. Marijuana can enhance one's capability to work toward understanding God, but I don't think it can bring one closer without effort. Yes, part of me is Protestant.

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sacrament n A … rite that … is held to be a means of divine grace or to be a sign or symbol of spiritual reality.

As a ritual, good. Final answer? I agree. [/edit]
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Nice thoughts. I think that Mike's example is a lot like what I'm trying to describe, I suppose that my mind was grapling with the concepts of reality, the universe, and any potential God like plan that may or may not be unfolding instead of all things thermal...

I have let my mind wander on these subjects, and I invariably come across answers to my questions, wether those answers come from something I'm reading, or simply thoughts that come to mind. Synchronicity has become something that doens't surprise me as much as it used to. Things seem to just happen because I beleive they will. Seek and ye shall find...

I agree that marijuana should not be worshiped as divinity itself, and since marijuana has helped to enhance my spirituality through the expansion of my thought processes, I view it as a sacrement of sorts. Wait till I pose the idea that cannabis may have something to do with the second coming of the Christ's Spirit to those willing to recieve it.

I see what you are thinking regarding THC bringing one closer to God, I think it would only help with that if used for that purpose. I'm quite certain that in the lungs of someone who wishes to be farther away from God, they would have no problem traveling that direction under the influence.

My religion isn't based around a plants effects per se, but I'm proposing that the effects help one in the search for answers to their questions. I think if you could say anything about what my religion is based on it's that all religions have a level of correctness and incorrectness, and that true belief can only come from within through ones thought processes and experiences.

It's easy to say I believe in the divine, or God, or whatever, it's much harder to actually bring ones self to really believe.

I believe a lot of things based on my repeated experiences, and what I think of those experiences, plus what feels right on the inside.

For instance, I believe that we are all connected to God, I believe that everyone and everything exists by a creative consious entity that everything is connected to. I believe we are all one, and the things I read from sources ranging from the Bible to books like "The Holographic Universe", or even Native spirituality tend to reinforce this belief.

Marijuana to me is a tool that allows me to fully open my mind and connect to those parts of myself that exist on the other side of the line of reality.

That it has helped me to make the connections, and form the understandings of the divine is why I liken it to a sacrement.

What you say about getting closer to God through the use of marijuana without effort I agree with 100%! There has to first be a desire to ask the questions before any answers are able to come.

Thanks for your input. There are so many things I wanted to touch on or go into with this comment, but I'll save them for other articles. This is one of those times I wish I could bundle these thoughts up and upload them.

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They used to burn cannabis as a sacrament (they being the early Jews and previous tribes as well that were considered pagans), as do many other religions. I consider it one, definately makes you think about things.
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I don't believe in any type of religion as such but i voted yes because; marijuana is sacred to the spirit, for me anyway as it helps you understand some things that you cannot comprehend sober, make you think indepth about the world around you, you percieve peoples actions and motives differently which can cause you too see them in a differnt light so to speak.

It hightens my senses,to as you say 'the higher level' which i believe is true without a God though. The only reason being is that no religion has ever proven their god exists so i wouldnt know which one to choose so to speak haha.
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If marijuana brings such great ideas, then how come, most of the time, the ideas that emerge when you are high, and seem so amazing, are not that good when you are not high, and almost seem like incoherrent babble?

I dont know, I voted NO, becuase i just dont trust weed in being a opener to the "extra part of our brain", for one thing i dont think there is an "untapped part of human intellect jsut waiting to be discovered".

but, you know, i could be wrong..
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