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Suetaz

Mother Nature's Gifts

Stoned ramblings by Suetaz

I believe in Mother Nature. I've seen what Mother Nature is capable of. She is capable of mass destruction as well as breathtaking beauty that can bring tears to the eyes. Mother Nature may seem mean and hostile at times, even sneaky and full of surprises, but no matter what, she is always honest. Honesty can be interpreted in different ways. I'm not talking about lying, cheating and stealing, I'm talking about honesty that is defined as genuine and without pretension.

I think any plant that grows in the wild and has been around for thousands of years is a part of Mother Nature, a gift from her for us to appreciate and use. When we give special gifts to our friends and loved ones, we expect them to care for the gift and if it is useful, to use it wisely and not waste it. I think it's reasonable that Mother Nature would expect the same of us with the gifts she has given. But we don't. We stripmine for diamonds and coal and other natural resources. We are depleting our forests at an alarming rate. We pollute the air we breathe and the water we drink. We have killed off rare species of wildlife and continue to threaten more. There is a long list of gifts from Mother Nature that we have abused and not used wisely.

Not only are we abusing Mother Nature's gifts, we are neglecting some. To me, to neglect is just as bad as to abuse. Mother Nature has provided us with trees as well as with hemp. If Mother Nature expected us to use the gifts wisely, she must be sadly disappointed. The trees that take years to grow are harvested almost as soon as they are mature. Hemp, a plant that is full grown in mere months compared to years, is illegal to grow in most parts of the world. I think Mother Nature must be shaking her head at this one. I know I am. The one plant that could help us correct our past mistakes and we aren't allowed to utilize it. Growing hemp could help revitalize the earth and return more oxygen to the air we breathe. It has thousands of uses and it is the healthiest food to eat on the planet.

To top it all off, Mother Nature gave us the gift of Marijuana, hemp's sister plant. Another gift she meant for us to utilize that is being neglected. I think Mother Nature intended for us to use Marijuana as medicine. A medicine with possibly as many uses as hemp, we just don't know it yet. We have been kept from utilizing these gifts by other greedy, corrupt and racist human beings. What I don't understand is how so many people buy into the lies told by these greedy, corrupt people and not trust Mother Nature. I don't see how anyone could trust a human being over Mother Nature. I think we should be ashamed of the way we have treated Mother Nature's gifts. I think the only proper thing to do is to stop abusing certain gifts and start using and caring for all of her gifts. If we do the right thing, I trust Mother Nature to reward us accordingly. After all, how can I not trust Mother Nature when she has the power to make everything look golden with her last rays of a day's sunlight?

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SevenLeafs

Nature's sons are spoiled


Stoned responses, by SevenLeafs


My view of humanity is that of a spoiled child, who only sees what he wants and we he doesn't, and is given everything. Instead of receiving every gift with gratefulness and hospitality, the child only evaluates if the gift is acceptable or unacceptable to him and then uses or discards it respectively.

And what the child should be taught is that every gift has more value than its mere material, or sentimental, sense. The gift represents a gesture, pure and simple.

We should also teach the child that something can and should be learned from every gift one receives, because life has its strange ways of sending messages. Sadly, this is totally ignored in these days, or at least I feel that way.

The Mother gives a gift to the child, because she knows the child, because the child was once a part of her and she understands him. The mother not only gives the gift to the child to make him happy, she also does it with love and with the hope that the child will understand the gift. And if there is anything to learn from this gift, it is the child's right to learn the lesson.

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Hi5inferno

I believe a perfect example of a perfectly utopian society is nature.

nature has been in harmony with itself for billions of years on earth. everything lives together, depending on each other for survival. of course there are the 'parasites' in nature, but theyre a part of the delicate society nature has created. in nature, everything has its own place and must take the responsibility of any action and its consequences.

then humans come along, with the ability of rational thought. now you'd think with the ability to reason at such a higher level than nature, we would improve on this utopia. but aw no, we use this rational tought to act against what we believe is morally correct by making ourselves believe crazy excuses for our actions.

making sense?

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Suetaz

Good points SevenLeafs. What you said is the reason we are abusing and neglecting Mother Nature's gifts. It used to be that everyone was taught to be respectable and responsible with their belongings and with others' property. Now we are so spoiled, some people just go ahead and take what they want and abuse or neglect everything.

The more our society advances, the more we want and the more we expect. It is this whole spoiledness that is holding everything else back. World peace will never be achieved with the US wanting to be #1. There will always be third world countries and famine and diseases in those countries as long as we continue to live such spoiled lives.

You make perfect sense, Hi5inferno. Unfortunately, you are correct. Although I don't know how rational the thoughts were. I don't think Henry Anslinger's thoughts were rational when he started spouting Reefer Madness and got Marijuana criminalized.

sideoftheroad

I really dig what you are saying.

However, with regards to the concept of humanity being a spoiled child - we humans really aren't so different from other animals, it's that the scale of our greed is much greater than, say, that of a squirrel, because we orchastrate our actions in huge organized groups (which many many organisms do as well).

Take, for example, the Grizzly Bear. They will sit by a river and gorge on hundreds of salmon and waste huge amounts. Any animal, when given the opportunity, will choose 'feast over famine'.

People think that natural order implies that a rabbit will only take his fair share or a tree will only take its necessary amount of sun, but the fact is, it is an opportunist world and survival is number one. If survival means killing more than you can eat or choking off a river for your habitat (beavers), so be it. Even those peaceful trees are fighting for survival and actively (as active as a tree is I suppose ) killing off the competition.

It's when large groups of animals are in close proximity when **** goes down - i.e: the whole rabbit/wolf population flux (wolves eat too many rabbits, famine occurs; not enough wolves, famine occurs for rabbits), humans destroying their habitat, red algae blooms that wipe out vast expanses of ocean life...

THAT'S what natural order is. A big up and down chaotic cycle that doesn't look out for anyone or anything. It does not revolve around morality or 'fair share' - it's just the way the world works. Cause and affect basically, but on a grand grand scheme that pays no attention to little ole me or that skunk digging his den in my backyard as we speak. Even if the oceans boiled over and the mountains fell, nothing would change... it's like the clearcuts around here - they are sad initially, but when you realize it will all be back to normal in 60 years, it's no biggie.

So just sit back and enjoy the ride

If anything, we humans are following natural order to a 't' - we are surviving very efficiently, almost TOO efficiently, like those overpopulating rabbits!

So if you have faith in natural order, you won't fret over our demise or our success as a species - just keep the water clean and the air fresh and the forest green for whatever reasons we want to create and rock out!

 

Suetaz

Animals and humans are similar, but the big difference is that animals don't understand anything about waste and humans do. Humans know better, animals don't.

I don't believe greed is part of natural order. Or if it is it shouldn't be. Humans are teaching other humans to be greedy and we are all suffering for it and may be extinct someday if we don't stop the greed and start caring about our environment.

I for one, do not want to sit back and let natural order take it's course if it means the demise of our species. That would make us a pretty stupid species to sit around and wait for our species to die off. The whole point is, we aren't keeping the air fresh and the water clean etc., we are destroying our planet.

It could be that too many people have the attitude that they should let natural order take it's course and that is why not enough people care about what is happening to our planet. We'd better start caring soon or there won't be anything left to care for.

SevenLeafs

Hehe, in regards to this Sideoftheroad:

Natural order, for me, is the natural balance that everything sustains. It's not about taking the just amount of sunlight, or taking a fare share of what you need, it's about knowing what the actions and consequences are.

I laugh ("Hehe") at the beginning because at first I hated your post. I didn't really understand what you were saying, but it somehow felt offensive to me. Then I read Sue's latest post, and understood why it felt offensive.

You have a completely different point of view than I have. Hmm... sorry, I'm kinda stoned right know... and I know I had some huge post here, but got distracted...

Anyways, the thing is that I think humanity has come to a point where we only have to worry about huge catastrophes (sorry for any spelling mistakes), almost the only things that can threaten our survival. So humans take everything for granted, we do tireless activities as rutine everyday, without really enjoying our lives, the thing is that when I find myself trying to enjoy the activities, lots of things remind me of what a disease the humans are for this planet(s), like the trash you can find on mountain trails, or the simple act of not thinking about anyone else, but yourself.

Well, that's all I have to say for now...

Logos

Nice Suetaz!

I felt a few tears welling up for a number of reasons.

In fact this whole thread is prety cool. Lots of interesting perspectives coming out.

One thing I have to add is that the true difference between humans and the rest of the earth (not that we are separate or anything) is that the rest of the earth doesn't grasp the good/evil thing. And we are still paying for that little mistake...

Stonedthought: Is it just me or are women born with the ability to get men to do their bidding? Eve: Eat of the fruit Adam, we could be as God... Adam: Uh, OK...

In nature there is no good or evil, only survival.

We no longer have to survive that way. We are now "civilized", but we are hovering in this transitionary period between existance in nature to existance for the greatest good.

Our holdover instincts have put us in a place where the one who dies with the most toys wins.

Where the 1% run our lives.

Where corporations kill us off with their toxic ways.

We are rapidly drifting to a wasteland hell of our own creation....

...and the truth is we deserve the world that we create.

In the end life goes on and on and on and on... If not here, elsewhere.

It is sad to see the wanton destruction of our home by a few powerful individuals. At the same time, I trust that it is part of the plan and I strive to simply enjoy the moment. I strive to appreciate both the good and the bad, but especially the bad, because that is what helps me to grow the most...

I strive to act with kindness towards others, and to forgive any who transgress against me because of their selfish nature.

I can't say I'm always sucessful, but I keep practicing.

Visualize a better tomorrow, and you will be helping to create a better tomorrow. It really is that simple.

Logos
P.S. Really nice work Suetaz. As the Reformed Durids like to say, Nature is Good, likewise, nature is Good. (btw, that is prety much the whole of their dogma. For those interested in converting to Druidism. It's as easy as hugging a tree... (see: http://www.rdna.org for more info))

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Suetaz

SSSSSSHHH!!!!! Not all men have figured that out yet!

It might be true that we no longer have to survive that way, but 20 years or so down the road if we don't stop depleting our resources, we may have to again.

We might be civilized, but our survival instincts are very spoiled and there are far too many people that think they can't survive without all their toys. We humans are great at advancement in technology and it's our own inventions and products and advertising for those products that have corrupted our survival instincts.

We have done this to ourselves and have been existing without any appreciation for nature or for our natural instincts. At the rate we are going, our natural instincts for true survival will be needed again just to subsist and we may not have any of those natural instincts left because we've been too spoiled to use them.

Are we hovering in this transitionary period between existance in nature to existance for the greatest good? Or are we on a cycle that will take us back to the beginning to start over and relearn our natural instincts for survival?

I don't like our current survival instincts. We should be a developed enough species to have discovered by now that we can survive better with each other's help than fighting each other for survival. But humans are spoiled and treat each other so badly that we have developed the 'lookout for #1' mentality. It's all 'me', 'I' or 'my' in our vocabularies now. We should be developed into a species that has learned and benefitted from our actions. Have we not learned that it is easier to have help than to do something alone? Yes, but we took it one step further and decided to just let someone else do it for us altogether. Those that were willing to do something began to benefit and since on one was willing to help with the hard work, they haven't shared in the profits.

Imagine what things could be like if corporations weren't so greedy and they made their decisions by thinking, "how could this help the most people" rather than, "how can we get the most money out of this."

I think this explains why Americans have gotten so spoiled. The pursuit of happiness. The American Dream. People all over the world have been wishing for a taste of that and the Americans have been living up to the reputation and have spread it around the world.

For those that see a different American Dream, I would like to see legalization of hemp and Marijuana so that those that choose to do something to help the environment and want to give back what we have abused or neglected can do so legally.

Americans should have the choice of using a cheaper medicine that you can grow on your own and you should have the choice of using hemp products for whatever you choose to use them for. Americans should start setting a good example and get off of the current evil-minded path of destruction that the current administration is on.

This stoned rant was approved by Taz.

SevenLeafs

I think that if there is a sentence that might describe humanity, it's this one. There are many hidden aspects, to me, in this quote, not only do you say how we are now, Sue, but you state how humans have been in their entire timeline of existance.

Humans always - again, this is my point of view - stretch things to the last moment. When was the last time you did something long before its "due date"? If you ask many people this, well, first they will probably lie, but if all answers are really true, you will notice that many don't like to do things until they absolutely have to because if they don't, the consequences will be unwanted.

So, what will humanity do about the many problems that it has now-a-days? Well, my guess is that nothing will be done, or too little, until the moment arrives and a crisis blows up (pollution, anyone?), THEN we will start formulating ideas about how to solve the unwanted, uncalled for, how-the-hell-did-this-happen problem that nobody knew about until suddenly, it was all in their faces.

No one wants to dwell on the things that may come, or on the disasters that might strike your neighboors, family, friends, etc... "What for?, let's get inssurance, and if anything happens, we will have the most important problems solved, so why worry about cutting down entire forests so I can go up to my boss and present the paper he'll so dissmisingly look over and put aside, never to be seen again....?"

Sadly, this seems to be what humans do best, wait for the last possible moment, - when there is nowhere to turn, nowhere for you to look away, no chance at all that you might "not look" and let it all pass - to do what was supposed to be done days, weeks, months... even years ago.

Humans, we love to work under pressure.

7L