smallz

hey people!

have you ever noticed that when you're on weed, sometimes you seem to get on someone else's wave length? well, that's what i noticed... and it was happening a little too often for it to be a coincidence.

you know how weed sometimes gives you distinct visualisations. not hallucinations, but just... images in your head. well, it didn't take too long to figure out my stoner buddy and i were actually seeing the same visions.

now, we started just to experiment a little. i say 'think of an image', he says 'it's an animal'... and i get it. and vice versa. basically, the 'sender' just goes over and over this image in their mind. the 'receiver' doesn't focus or think about anything... he/she just goes with (not necessarily the first, but...) the strongest image in their head.

and a nice little 'undisputable' thing is if you both draw the object, rather than calling it out!

first, i sent a 'red tricycle' (with the instructions 'i'm thinking of an object')... he got a child laughing (they definitely complement each other, no?). i then told him about the tricycle, and he said without hesitation "it was red"!

then he sent a 'cat'.... i got the SAME cat... sitting on a fence

then i sent a 'deer' and he got that.

a week later, i decided i'd pick something so obscure that there's no way in hell he'd possibly guess.

i sent a man, in a chequred shirt, with a green hat, chopping wood.

he got it!

we both freaked!!!!!!!!!

somebody, PLEASE... comment on this one!!! the more scientific the explanation the better, because i'm a complete sceptic (thus, why it freaked me out so much). i actually got quite paranoid, because i thought that my thoughts were the only safe place i had... and now even my thoughts were being invaded.

lol, i was telling a friend "you know how in movies, the crazy guy comes out and says 'people are stealing my thoughts'... i feel like that". the point where i realised i had a problem was when someone said "you know how you stop that? wear a tinfoil hat" and i actually contemplated it, hehehe.

the day after this weed/mind reading session, i went to a party, got pissed so i would stop thinking about all of this, and then as a 'test of my abilities' a card was pulled from a deck, and i was told to 'guess' it.

i got it, hole in one (the FIRST card that was pulled out). in fact, i got that card almost before she picked it out. i said to her, 'you know, you should really pick another card, because i can't get the seven of diamonds out of my head' (and sure enough, that was it)!

after that, someone else pulled out a card.... i got the suit, and one number below the actual card. this happened three more times in a row.

then my stoner buddy tried the same thing, and HE got one card below the actual card i pulled out.

it's a little creepy, no?!? :-) the fact that i could do this without any weed suggests to me that weed just helps this process along - but it's a process we can all do anyway.

the best explanation i've heard are 'alpha waves'.

so please guys 'n' gals, i'm after five things:

1) questions/comments
2) explanations - the more scientific the better :-)
3) your experiences
4) if you've got experience, how you perfect these skills
5) if you've got experience with this, whether it's been harmful to you in any way.

Any input would be much appreciated!

cheers,

smallz

SevenLeafs

Hey there smallz, don't know who you are, but I think we can relate very well with the fact that we are aware of something many people are not.

I'll emphasize only on the next two, eh.... "numerals" you wanted us, the readers, to respond about.

I have no questions for you, maybe some comments, but if there are any, they will come out as I write this reply.

Explanations.... well, I can barely think of any. Maybe the most reasonable thing I have ever read, that could be linked with this subject, would be that marijuana only lets us see what we are capable of, sort of like standing outside of your house, looking inside through the window, but you don't go inside. If you want to get inside, you will have to reach the door, turn the knob, and then enter the house and interact with it in any way you can.

I have a very close idea of what you have been "rambling" here, in this thread. I have had some very close situations, very close to what you just recited.

I sometimes get an image on my head, a vision, a simple picture that comes to mind, but it can not be rationalized in any way, it is just a simple, distorted, image. It comes sometimes, now-a-days mostly when I want it to happen. If you were to sit me down and apply the "card game" you were subject of, I would instantly try to switch myself into the prepared mentality, I would be anticipating the game, interpreting everythin that comes to my mind.

But you have to be careful, you can not interpret everything that comes to your mind, because then you will just get confused. You need to let your instincts guide you, sort of like when you said to the other person:

"you know, you should really pick another card, because i can't get the seven of diamonds out of my head"

...that, to me, is simply instinct. You didn't know why you were thinking of that, right? You didn't even think hard on what card you would say, right? You just said it, and it was the card.

I think it has a lot to do with concentration (on what you are feeling, not thinking), with will power, and off course, as I said before, instincts.

So, how do you perfect these skills? Well, that's a tricky question. I thnk that my "abilities", if you will, boosted when I had a "dry period", meaning: I stopped smoking pot for about 2+ months. During this time, I would get some crazed ideas, and they would flow right through me, I need not rationalize them or understand them, they just "arrived" at my head, and then I would simply trust the idea. Hehe, like yesterday, when I was taking a friend back to her house...

So, to sum this up, you do not need to force your thoughts, let them come to you and "talk" to you. In other words, let everything flow, but if you feel you need to do something, then do it. It's all about instincts and following your feelings... or better yet, understanding your feelings.

To get to the last point, the only times it has been harmful to me is when I do not calm down and do what I have said, understand what it is that I am thinking, what it is that I feel. This leads to the worse form of harm, for me.... confusion. I start to ramble in my head about things, without no order, no continous flow of anything, and I get frustrated.

That would be about it smallz. I really think the human mind is capable of such things, and I truly believe in what I am and feel.

Peace,
7L

BTW: check out this thread, check out my first post on it, I think it pretty much explains what I want to say.

http://www.marijuana.com/420/showthread.php?t=30853

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smallz

heya sevenleafs!
hey all!

cheers very much for your reply, 7L! and you're right, we both are very aware of something that most of us aren't aware of. infact, there will be many people reading this post thinking 'this is all just a bunch o' bulls***, you can't read minds, just a coincidence, bla bla bla. and believe me, a few days ago i would have been one of them. but i take comfort in the fact that there ARE possible SCIENTIFIC explanations for this.

i'm the kinda guy who needs to actually UNDERSTAND everything and i can't just simply accept that there are some things that are completely mysterious. As a result, i've been doing a bit o' reading...

Just for your information, 'alpha waves' are definitely our best explanation in my opinion. Alpha waves are oscillating electrical voltages in the brain... they occur most when we're really relaxed, during hypnosis, meditation or that mid-point between sleep and awake. alpha waves are "indicative of a lack of visual processing and lack of focus: the less visual processing and the more unfocused, generally the stronger the alpha waves." (http://skepdic.com/alphawaves.html).

I like to think of alpha waves much like radio waves.... I mean, there are radio waves all around us - no one would call me 'crazy' for making that statement. Alpha waves are like 'radio waves' that the brain can pick up, and evidently communicate with. I understand that for most of you however, you'd really need to experience it before you believe that statement. So i DO encourage you all to experiment a little (see below)!!!

Marijuana has been known to INCREASE the alpha state (http://www.brainmachines.com/frequencies.html).

There have been many experiments with alpha waves... they are even used by the disabled to move mouse pointers (specially rigged up to receive the alpha wave frequency). In other words, people can move special mouse pointers around with their mind - and that's not science fiction!

ooooh, and another thing - you know how when you're on weed you sorta feel 'connected' to everything, and you know your place in the world, and everything has this hazey clarity to it? well, it turns out the earth puts out the same frequency as the alpha frequency. so what we could be feeling is connection with the earth, and that we're just all 'tuning into it'. so everything DOES feel connected, because it IS. though alpha waves!!

I've found a good resource for people to read if they wish to get into alpha here: http://www.prance-salem.org/alpha.asp

Yes, it's a 'pagan' site - but look past that (and no, i'm not pagan). If you take a step back from it, you'll probably come to the conclusion that paganism is just another social representation that some people have bought into, but some of it really DOES have scientific backing - alpha waves being one of those things. And you have to realise - alpha waves aren't a 'pagan' ideology! :-)

7L, I agree with you in saying that you don't need to force your thoughts when you're trying to mind read. In fact, the more you do, the more your ideas are coming from 'you' rather than the 'other person'.

If anyone has any tips on how to read people in this fashion i'd definitely be keen to hear them!!

one explanation i heard was just 'relax.... let yourself go... and imagine yourself AS the person you're trying to read.... feel how they feel... it's like you're always moving forward.... people put up 'blocks' in the way but you dodge them.

i'd love to get a slightly clearer explanation of it all though, because i definitely can't do that yet!

and please - any more experiences or alternative interpretations i'd love to hear.

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A LITTLE EXPERIMENT FOR YOU GUYS TO DO!!!
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1) get into pairs.... preferably someone you're close to and have good rapport with.

2) toke up! ;-)

3) have a pen and paper on hand.

4) do the exercise here http://www.prance-salem.org/alpha2.asp and here http://www.prance-salem.org/alpha3.asp and get into the alpha state.

5) one person SEND the other person an image. the sender - just go over and over and over the image in your mind. if the image is of a person doing something, sort of feel as if YOU are the person in the image, and going through the motion. in my opinion, a repetitive action with a lot of movement works best. For example, a man chopping wood. Choose something simple, and DON'T try and 'trick' the other person - at least to begin with. and give verbally give them a general field of the image. like 'it's a person doing something' or 'it's an animal', etc etc.

6) the receiver must just close their eyes.... and STOP THINKING.... just let it come. don't necessarily go with your first impression... because that might be YOU that's creating it. feel free to change your mind a couple of times, but go with whatever's strongest. Once the receiver has successfully 'got' something (and take your time), START DRAWING and instruct the 'sender' to draw what they were receiving... do NOT call it out... just start drawing and label the image in writing.

7) when you're done, exchange drawings.... if u don't have it right, u don't have it right, don't worry. i'm sure it just takes practice. you just weren't on the same wavelength. you'll KNOW when you've got it right because it just... it just feels different!

8) post the results on this thread!!!
go to, people!!!!

discover something about yourself!

cheers,

smallz

SevenLeafs

Hey!, good links you put there Smallz, I read every one and found it very interesting, although lacking information.

I have always wanted to go into the "alpha state" while conscious, but I guess I never practiced enough meditation, for too short a time, to get to that point, I will try though...

I will put into practice that "experiment" you also suggested, so I will be giving results later on (do not know when).

That is all I have to say for now...

7L

EDIT: I almost forgot!, about this:

This is exactly what I do, almost uncounsciously. You simply start to think about all the person is hearing, feeling, seeing tasting smelling (which, now that I think of it, would be the easiest) and tasting... off course, without actually seeing or hearing or feeling what the other person is... uhm... feeling, hearing, seeing, etc.

The best way to start "practicing" this is by imagining yourself through the eyes of the other person. Example: both of you are sitting on a couch, looking at each other, and then you simply try to change perspective, imagine what the other person is seeing...

Give it a shot

smallz

Heya 7L,

Ya those links were a bit simple. Try just googling for alpha waves and lots come up.

I'm quite surprised that more people on this forum haven't had any experience with this kind of thing.

I love marijuana - i'm new to it this year. It really does expand the mind. A lot of people use it just to roll around the floor and have a giggle, but it I think that's just the tip of the iceberg of the power of this drug - it really does use parts of your brain that you would never know existed, and in my opinion it makes you a lot more perceptive.

I'm just gonna put out a plea to everybody reading this - PLEASE, just suspend your disbeliefs for a while and really try and do the experiment above. You might just discover this whole other world out there.

I look forward to your results, 7L!! :-)

PS cheers for the 'reading people' tips... i'll be sure to practice practice practice!!

NeoArcadian

There is no proof of these things but I do know a lot about the theories about them.

I have studied the brain for a few years and the Alpha waves you are talking about have to do with brain levels of consciousness.

Beta is level 1 despite the fact that it means 2. At this level you are awake and alert.

Alpha is level 2. At this level you are relaxed and in a light sleep or subconscious thought, like day dreaming, and this level is mostly used for hypnosis even though a deeper level is wanted.

Theta, I don't remember the spelling, is the third level. In this level you do all of your real deep sleep and really vivid dreams. This level is the level most people sleep at.

Delta, the 4th and last level. At this level you are barely conscious at all. This is the level that comatose patients are usually at because it has a brain wave level of 0-4 wave per something.

I really don't know the specs of it all, just what I have above.

I do know what you are talking about though. Last night I got really stoned with my friend and we looked up at the ceiling that was covered in glowing star stickers and started flipping out. Then I thought of the game Zenosaga, as I thought about it I hear my friend ask how the game is. Then I told him I was just thinking about it and then we started saying things at exactly the same time about the exact same random things.

It was crazy. I would think of smoke stacks and then he would say it and vice versa with many different things. I think I will do this with three people and have every body draw what they think I am thinking.

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smallz

Thanx for that neo,

Fascinating stuff - an experiment with three people would definitely take things to a whole new level. And yeah - try my little experiment, won't you? Be sure to post your results to this thread - should be a really interesting read for everybody!

smallz

Stoned Trunks

Call me crazy but I swear I have psycic abilities when I smoke MJ. Does anyone else ever get this or is it just me? Like, I feel I can hear what people think, and I can move things with my mind. I dunno, but it usually happens after a couple bowls...

Higher Logic

Move things with your mind, eh? Let me get some of that! Explain these abilities more...

Moving to Philosophy...

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silverspork

ya my friend thought he could read poeples minds, and he went into the mental hospital for 12 days because they thought he was on pcp or something. And he never took anything. crazy.