iGame3D

No its not you, its the War Pigs, who should be sent to the slaughter they so desire.


People who support the war, who want the war, should go and die in the war, to the last man.

Hiz Highness

We all know that's not going to happen. Wars would have far fewer supporters if those who supported them actually had to fight in them.

-HH

Cassius

Okay, let's just call it the Bush Crusades then. That's much more accurate. This is a war against a foreign religious sect, right? That's what you just said.

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Stephanie S.

That's my concern. I don't want the U.S. to be "it"!

That's school-kid mentality, no? To go back and beat up the kid who beat you up? Maybe I live in a fantasy world (and I do have a rich fantasy life!) but in my ultimate fantasy regarding violence against life, people would use the organ we were given to think with. The Islamic Fundamentalists live one day at a time, one suicide mission at a time. They each get one opportunity to die for Islam. Once you die, another will come along and take their place.

"They" want to spread Islam through violence and intimidation.
Well, they've certainly mastered intimidation and the U.S. succumbed to it.

Imagine if the U.S. spent all the money being used for the Iraq War on HOMELAND SECURITY! I would feel safer then and I bet we wouldn't have lost more than a 1,000 soldiers in such an endeavor.

peace

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"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to audio)

Hiz Highness

Careful what you wish for. A Federal Homeland Security Department with an extra couple hundred billion dollars might have the resources to crack down on a narco-terrorist like yourself. Afterall, we can't have you contributing to the terrorists funds, which (as we all know) come from "drug sales".

You might be feeling nice and safe in your new prison cell.

-HH

MickityMike

You sound like a fine fellow what with the name-calling and all. Tell me, if you dislike the war so much, perhaps you ought to go to Iraq and protest against it? Or maybe you should realize that in the US the military is under civilian control and that it's perfectly right for civilians to advocate both pro- and anti-war positions?

To say that one cannot have an opinion on a war unless one is actively involved is breathtakingly stupid, IMHO.

Ok. Uh, burn? I'm not sure what the point is, man.

Does anyone actually believe that the Islamists can be reasoned with? Just read their list of goals - there's not a lot of room for compromise, guys.

Yeah, I don't even like DHS very much to begin with...

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^_^truth

Really, and I thought it made me sound like an elitest... who knew? (just kidding).

As you gathered, the point I was making was no mater what they called it they were going to do something wrong with the name because the people that came up with this War on Fundimentalist Islam need to label there enemies as someone who is different.

If their is anything we should learn from propaganda it's that the best way to keep people fighting is to make sure that the people you are fighting aren't viewed as humans. Make them viewed as terrible killers, monsters, or just plain different. Racism can be, and often is, used in propaganda and political spin to encourage War and it's continueous fighting.

If you don't believe me look at the differenance between WWII's propaganda journalism and the journalism used during Vietnam. Vietnam's journalism didn't condemn the people, it condemned Communism, the ideology that the U.S. was fighting; where in WWII the journalism was geared towards demining the opposing force. It created a spread of hate, espically of the Japanese, that resulted in the massive racism.

But I am sure you can find something to refute from this...

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MickityMike

I'm fairly certain that no matter the name of the war, you'd assume that it was pure propaganda. The moniker "War on Terror" may be poor, but I think that that is a long way from claiming that it's purposely named that to expose the differences in extremist Islam and Western culture...

As if suicidal jihadists haven't already demonstrated that fact in particularly stark terms dozens of times over.

sideoftheroad

War is crazy and seems like a completely foreign concept to me, but that is (thankfully) because of the environment I've grown up in.

If you grew up in the midst of conflict, or you and your family were kicked out/threatened, war wouldn't seem like an alien concept - it'd be a thing of survival.

I am sure that most people would be very squemish at the idea of killing their own food, despite the fact they enjoy eating it and picking it out at the supermarket.

We'll gladly use the products that are in front of us and eat the meat that has been butchered and cleaned for us and enjoy the freedoms which were fought for us in the past... but when it comes to HOW those things came about, we'd rather not know or can't comprehend it.

Reminds me of a CCR song...


Who will take the coal from the mine?
Who will take the salt from the earth?
Who'll take a leaf and grow it to a tree?
Don't Look Now, it ain't you or me.
Who will work the field with his hands?
Who will put his back to the plough?
Who'll take the mountain and give it to the sea?
Don't Look Now, it ain't you or me.

LibertyLover

There are many reasons, but I'd sum it up as mostly ignorance, naivity, xenophobia and racism, false ideologies, logical fallacies, miseducation, brainwashing, trust in a corrupt government, belief in using government to solve problems and provide security, and human psychology - especially group psychology, fight/flight instinct, and the effects of fear. And I do believe all that would apply to many opponents of the war driven by political partisanship rather than principles or morals.

I never believed in the need for an Iraq invasion as I was already well acquainted with the corruption of the federal government in general and the Bushies in particular by the beginning of this war. I also used to read very large volumes of news from many hundreds of sources at the time and saw many lies exposed and recognized a few on my own. These people do a very poor job of decieving the American public, although that is in due mostly to the advancement of the Internet which allows for the analysis and dissemination of the disproof of their rhetoric.