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slangking

Morally, yay or nay?

And none of this, "I don't think there's anything wrong with abortions, but I would NEVER get one" rhetoric. When that is said, it is either a veiled anti-abortion stance, or more frequently, you're saying something like, "I am pro-abortion, but it would seriously screw with my emotions and integrity to ever put myself in that position." I feel that way myself, but in a strictly moral sense, I don't think that such argumentation passes muster for good, persuasive reasoning. I'll weigh in with my own beliefs a little later; I just want to be all Socratic for the moment.

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Buzzby

I don't think there's anything wrong with abortions, but I would NEVER get one. Well, actually I would if I could. If I got an abortion I'd get to be on Oprah and Larry King as the first man to get one.

Personally, I believe in retroactive abortion up to the age of 18, a plan I developed with a co-worker whose daughter ripped her off for everything she owned.


I disagree. If you believe, as I do, that every woman is entitled to make a personal choice about her reproduction, there is nothing evasive about saying that you, personally, have chosen not to get an abortion. Many pro-choice people with whom I've discussed the issue have taken the same position.

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slangking

But just why don't you believe there's anything wrong with abortion, Buzzby? Do you think a third trimester (or to use a more common but politically loaded term, "partial birth") abortion is OK?

Dimebag-Dave

third trimester abortions have less to do with morals and more to do with health concerns. It's really bad for a woman's health to get a third trimester abortion, that's probably why most doctors won't do it.

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Some say that marijuana leads to harder drugs because '90% of hard drug addicts smoked marijuana first'
Huh...?
Can you think of anything else that 90% of hard drug users did before they became addicted?
I can: ate a hamburger, went to school, went to church, read a newspaper, etc.
So, what, do these activities lead to harder drugs as well?

slangking

Fair enough, but that does not detract from the moral question.

 

MrIMStoned

I am pro-abortion
pro-prostitution
pro-gambling
pro-smoking
pro-alcohol, nicotine, caffiene, lima bean and mescaline.

I believe you should be able to do anything as long as you don't infringe on other peoples rights. Fetus' are not people. Thus they have no rights to be infringed upon.

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Higher Logic

I say that I really have no say, because I'm not a women nor will I ever get pregnant. However, I'm pro-choice, I see nothing "immoral" about abortion either. What the hell are morals anyway? It follows my philosophy about everything really, like already stated. I'm all for legalized gambling, prostitution, sex, drugs, etc. Besides, I don't like the moral convictions of others determining what I can and cannot do just because they base their morals on something that they believe in.

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slangking

You sound like your something very much like a moral relativist, which I hope is not something you're arguing for here.

Why aren't fetuses people, MrIMStoned?

MrIMStoned

People have birthdays.

Little Nicky

I can see both sides of this issue and I guess that makes me middle of the road with a less than worthless opinion.
A woman has full rights over the use or misuse of her body, it's called free choice.
However, when the fetus is viable then is it now a distinct human being?
On the other side, if you believe (truly believe) that life begins at conception and that abortion truly is murder, then I can see where these abortion clinic bombers are coming from. If you could go back in time and kill Hitler before he gained power, would you? The abortion clinic bombers feel, that by killing the doctor he is saving thousands of lives.
I'm pretty stuck on the issue of viability. If the baby can live on its own, outside the womb then why should it be killed just because it happened to be saddled with a mother that wants to kill him?