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Old 08-20-2006, 06:17 PM   #1
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Smile Any communists?

Well i believe in sorta like communism but with elections and stuff and not like one leader. But like you could choose your job based on your education. The only difference being that nobody owns anything. There will be some people richer than others to a certain extent but not much at all. I mean there is some way you can acheive more money so there is motivation to work like you could get promoted. Just you cant have businesses. But you can work at them.

And also there is no prime minister or president. Instead a group of people like congress is the executive branch. No one person should have that musch control over other people in that kind of way. Elections definetaly and governments should be as localized as possible. Like hundreds of states all over the country. Cause one big country is not a good idea

Wat do you think?
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Old 08-20-2006, 07:37 PM   #2
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Im a capitalist pig.

In a "perfect world" maybe true communism could work (Im a skeptic) but I much prefer the way it is. I'm probably a little callous, but most homeless and poor people are that way through actions and choices they have made for themselves.

I have been "rock bottom" as it gets- broke, in a state where I knew no one, with no resources (seriously, the clothes on my back), and managed in a couple months to turn that around. If I can do it anyone can. that was many years ago and it taught me not to allow things to get to that point again.and they havent.

the only people who deserve charity are the people that are physically or mentally handicapped to the point they cannot work, the elderly and the children. everyone else needs to get to work and make their own future.
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Old 08-20-2006, 09:27 PM   #3
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Old 08-21-2006, 12:20 AM   #4
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Communism would be wonderful if the government wasn't corrupt. I was in China and realistically the government has actually done a really good job modernising the country. Their human rights record may suck, but economically they've done a really good job. Honestly, all government is corrupt though, no matter what form it's in. The only difference is who's screwing you over.
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Old 08-21-2006, 07:12 AM   #5
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Thoreau wrote that "that government is best which governs not at all". he also thought that when man was ready this was the type of government he would have. the government of no government. anarchy.

it's not what people tend to think of when they hear it. it's not utter chaos and meyhem. it is merely a cooperative approach to social organization that happens to omit goverment all together. A theory in which dominance, authority, and hierarchy are not necessary to a harmonious society.

the Chuang-Tzu, chapter 11, "There have, in the past, been instances in which humankind has been successfully left to its own devices; never, however, has there been an instance in which humankind has been successfully governed."

communism may have some points of merit, but anytime you intend to include a strong centralized government, you may as well give it up. there'll never be any success in it.

capitalism is rotten at it's core. there is no saving grace in it. you have your haves and your never will haves and increasingly your did haves and will never have agains. capitalism is faltering because it's playing itself out. huge corporations hold the power over us all because they control so much of the currency. they elect our representitives. this is why hemp is banned, which in turn is a major cause of human assisted global warming.

p.s. dump your government.

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Old 08-21-2006, 10:07 AM   #6
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are a joke to any one truly educated in terms of global economics and today's society.

Communism in my opinion is just another way to hide great personal wealth and corruption. I believe North Korea would be a good example.

The whole country lies in squalor with one city even having power.....Communism at it's finest.....


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Old 08-22-2006, 12:53 AM   #7
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are a joke to any one truly educated in terms of global economics and today's society.

Communism in my opinion is just another way to hide great personal wealth and corruption. I believe North Korea would be a good example.
The whole country lies in squalor with one city even having power.....Communism at it's finest.....

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How could you call North Korea communist at its finest? What about China. Look at its success. It will soon outweigh the U.S. in economy. It is almost richer than U.S.

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In a "perfect world" maybe true communism could work (Im a skeptic) but I much prefer the way it is. I'm probably a little callous, but most homeless and poor people are that way through actions and choices they have made for themselves.
Maybe in the U.K. and U.S. but what about the poor and homeless in the rest of the world, like in Africa and most of Asia?

And you said you need a perfect world? Well what if there still was competition but not in business but employee competition. One could get promoted to earn decently more as one today working as an employee would get promoted. Theres still a motive to work harder.
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Cool Zubi 420.....

My comments about North Korea were meant as sarcasm. Sorry you missed that, it would of made more sense if you would of gotten it that way I guess.....

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The whole country lies in squalor with one city even having power.....Communism at it's finest.....
Altho it's kinda hard to miss the sarcasm in that one, eh?


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Old 08-23-2006, 07:04 AM   #9
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First Stated by Zubi420 : And you said you need a perfect world? Well what if there still was competition but not in business but employee competition. One could get promoted to earn decently more as one today working as an employee would get promoted. Theres still a motive to work harder.
See and that is just a road back to capatialism; it focuses growth on the greed of the Human being. However, the concept of competition does need to be incorrporated into any form of Government, at least until Humanity reaches a point where it no longer needs competition. Lets ignore my previous lament; and focus on what I said prior to it; that competition is necessary.

What would be a good compormise is the rid currency, and add time to enjoy pleasurable privliages (recreational drug use, sports, etc...) based on the efficentcy on smaller communities. It just follows: the more efficent one portion of a nation is, the more time is made avalible for its citizens to enjoy life. The nation wins in the development of goods, and its citizens have a release for the natrual craving of competition.

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But back to the subject at hand; Communism in its pure state is a state of anarchy, thus it is a utopian ideal. However, communism in its standard incarnation is still a great form of government. And thus I would still argue for it to be insituted.
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Communism would be wonderful if the government wasn't corrupt. I was in China and realistically the government has actually done a really good job modernising the country. Their human rights record may suck, but economically they've done a really good job. Honestly, all government is corrupt though, no matter what form it's in. The only difference is who's screwing you over.
Todays China isn't even recognizable to Mao's China. Large corporations are laying out huge bribes to the leaders of China. Yes their economy is growing fast...too fast. Very little resources plus with a population around 1.5 billion expecting a better standard of living equals a formula for major disaster. The problem with Communism is that everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.
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