Before the big bang? - Page 2

volume · 07-28-2003, 06:47 AM

MAn this is the kind of thing that will keep me up ALL night, like if time began at the big bang, then was there anything before it? By all human logic and understanding... there would have been, but not if time started at the big bang.

punx · 07-28-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by volume
MAn this is the kind of thing that will keep me up ALL night, like if time began at the big bang, then was there anything before it? By all human logic and understanding... there would have been, but not if time started at the big bang.

Just to let you know, time began when you were born.
And it is suppose to end when you die.

HappyMan · 07-28-2003, 05:32 PM

Moved To: Theories

ImALittlePea · 07-28-2003, 05:50 PM

The basis of much of human reasoning and perception is causality. Cause leads to effect. An apple explodes because a bullet passes through it. The bullet was sent on it's way because of a minute explosion at the base of a tube of metal, etc...

If you follow this train of thought backwards far enough you come to the first thing: the universe, the thing where we keep all our stuff.

But if the universe is infinite, it has always been and will always be (this is really just because it expands faster than we can measure). Of course it will always be; if it's gone, we are. Every facet of human thought would simply cease. Whatever there would be, if there would be anything, after that would be unknowable and completely uncomprehendable.

So if the universe has always been around, what could have caused it? If causality is true, as our courts will have you believe, something had to cause everything. Either causality can be longer than infinity, or there's a 'god'.

IAmTheWalrus212 · 07-28-2003, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by ImALittlePea
The basis of much of human reasoning and perception is causality. Cause leads to effect. An apple explodes because a bullet passes through it. The bullet was sent on it's way because of a minute explosion at the base of a tube of metal, etc...

If you follow this train of thought backwards far enough you come to the first thing: the universe, the thing where we keep all our stuff.

But if the universe is infinite, it has always been and will always be (this is really just because it expands faster than we can measure). Of course it will always be; if it's gone, we are. Every facet of human thought would simply cease. Whatever there would be, if there would be anything, after that would be unknowable and completely uncomprehendable.

So if the universe has always been around, what could have caused it? If causality is true, as our courts will have you believe, something had to cause everything. Either causality can be longer than infinity, or there's a 'god'.

But the thing is that casualty and the god thing are the two things humans have thought caused the universe. We don't know that it is one of those two; it's possible it is not. They seem likely to us as humans, and maybe even the only possible choice, but there is more out there than what we realize. For all we know, maybe the universe hasn't always been around. Maybe it doesn't exist. We don't know. Ta da!

Mr_T_Fool · 07-28-2003, 06:47 PM

The going theroy is that there was a random collection of gas atoms/molecules(along with other atoms) and eventually some grouped together creating a small gravitational force which in turn pulled more things in and this continued until the collection collapsed on itself and exploded.........hence the BANG

macphearsome · 07-28-2003, 10:49 PM

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The going theroy is that there was a random collection of gas atoms/molecules(along with other atoms) and eventually some grouped together creating a small gravitational force which in turn pulled more things in and this continued until the collection collapsed on itself and exploded.........hence the BANG

Where did you hear about this? As far as I know, that is not the current model of the big bang theory. The big bang theory is meant to describe the beginning of the universe - essentially, the beginning of everything. To base the big bang theory upon the existence of something else would be... contradicting the purpose of the big bang theory.

IAmTheWalrus212 · 07-28-2003, 11:26 PM

Mac- your post meant so much to me, that last part... but I don't know how. It's just exactly how I felt but not consciously... I don't know. But it is true. Other theories can go behind it though, can't they? That's weird to think about it. The scientists think it was just there... what the hell do they think happened before it? Yeesh... can't just show up.

/stoned

kebmodee · 07-29-2003, 12:35 AM

If something was always there, it never had to show up. It was just always there. That goes with the whole causality thing. If something is eternal, it didn't have to have a cause.

PhreshwaterPhunk · 07-29-2003, 04:15 AM

I don't know about you guys, but I'd prefer living my life to the fullest without groggling on and on about religion, because we'll never know for sure here on Earth. Maybe when I die I'll learn then, but not now.

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volume Jr. Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 491 Grams: 2,260.90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	MAn this is the kind of thing that will keep me up ALL night, like if time began at the big bang, then was there anything before it? By all human logic and understanding... there would have been, but not if time started at the big bang. __________________ I smoke marijuana, however: - I am doing exceptionally well in high school - I plan to attend University - I will vote when i turn 18 - I do not indulge in other drugs, such as cocain or heroine

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ImALittlePea Jr. Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 140 Grams: 2,252.85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	what caused the first thing? The basis of much of human reasoning and perception is causality. Cause leads to effect. An apple explodes because a bullet passes through it. The bullet was sent on it's way because of a minute explosion at the base of a tube of metal, etc... If you follow this train of thought backwards far enough you come to the first thing: the universe, the thing where we keep all our stuff. But if the universe is infinite, it has always been and will always be (this is really just because it expands faster than we can measure). Of course it will always be; if it's gone, we are. Every facet of human thought would simply cease. Whatever there would be, if there would be anything, after that would be unknowable and completely uncomprehendable. So if the universe has always been around, what could have caused it? If causality is true, as our courts will have you believe, something had to cause everything. Either causality can be longer than infinity, or there's a 'god'. __________________ Free Will is the basis of our judicial system Causality is the basis of our Prison system. Causality and Free Will are opposing philosophies.

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kebmodee New Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 20 Grams: 1,773.70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	If something was always there, it never had to show up. It was just always there. That goes with the whole causality thing. If something is eternal, it didn't have to have a cause. __________________ Isn't making a smoking section in a restaurant like making a peeing section in a swimming pool?

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PhreshwaterPhunk Mister Natural Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,072 Grams: 2,538.00 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I don't know about you guys, but I'd prefer living my life to the fullest without groggling on and on about religion, because we'll never know for sure here on Earth. Maybe when I die I'll learn then, but not now. __________________ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death."Hunter S. Thompson

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