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Andrew87

Why you would post statistics without even mentioning a source is just about completely beyond me, but let's see what we've got:

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Enlistees are often promised between $35,000 - $70,000 for college.

Don't dispute it...


After reading the the paragraph you refer to, I'm unsure as to whether or not you actually believe people in these instances are even entitled to benefits. If so, I am astounded by your blatant disregard of the integrity and standards military members are held to (and don't make some wiseass remark about recruiters*). You don't get paid to wear a cool uniform and play with an M-16, you get paid to shut the fuck up and follow orders - the military is no place for opinion pieces, having "fun," or anything of the like. Getting an other than honorable discharge and still expecting the military to pay for your schooling is like skipping all of your classes and still expecting to be presented a degree.

I'm also curious as to where the number '35' came from. If it consists primarily of persons who received a discharges lower than honorable or some other other obvious reason (like, they didn't pay into the account), then I have to wonder why you would post such a blatantly slanted figure.

*As I said, I don't argue that many recruiters engage in sleazy tactics, but they do not reflect the military collectively. It is their job to get as many people as possible to join up, and I agree that sometimes the way they go about it is dishonest. However, you shouldn't judge the military based solely on its recruiting policy.

This also seems horribly exaggerated. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

Good point...but it's still a vast minority.

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*Lots of people do not receive money because they are forced to leave early because they "told" something they shouldn't have (you know..."don't ask, don't tell").

I'm not going to get into a "gays in the military" debate, because I agree that it is a ridiculous rule. However, a common sense element also comes into play here - "don't ask - don't tell." If you "tell," then it's likely that you are intentionally asking to be kicked out, which means you voided your end of the contract. If you don't fulfill your side of the deal, why would you expect any of the benefits?

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Finally, many people are excluded from receiving college funds because they are dishonorably discharged for violating some sort of order

And they absolutely should be excluded. A dishonorable discharge, even a GENERAL discharge, means you screwed up somehow. The military isn't about fun and games, it's a job that's meant to be taken seriously. Want your college money? Do the damn job you signed up for, and do it right. Very simple concept.

And again, are you actually insinuating that people who are DD'ed deserve the benefits?

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(one person I read about refused to chant "I want to kill Iraqis" while in basic training and was dishonorably discharged for it).

Until I see an actual source proving this, I call BS - this is one of the most far-fetched claims I've seen in a while. You have to fuck up BADLY to get a dishonorable, I would be extremely surprised to find that anything even remotely resembling this scenario actually happened. In fact, there is really no excuse to be discharged for any reason other than honorably or medically, because as I said, you usually have to work pretty hard at it to get a DD or BCD.

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Because they don't always fulfill those promises. That's what's wrong.

They don't fulfill them to who, people who didn't honor their service contract? What a surprise.

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If you and I entered into a contract stating that you would work for me for, say, three years and then I would in turn give you $35,000 for college, you'd be pretty damn pissed off if you did the time and then I didn't live up to my end of the bargain.

Yeah, and if I violated my terms by not showing up five days a month for those three years and still expected the $35K you'd tell me to get fucked, and I don't think many would blame you for doing so.

Without question.

I'm well aware of stop-loss. In fact, it may be you who needs to take another look at the statute - because this paragraph is loaded with fallacies, demonstrating how little you actually know about military enlistment. Stop-loss is in the contract, and is entirely legal - provided it is initiated within your original eight-year service obligation.

And by the way, people win cases against the government in court all the time. For someone who is aspiring to be an attorney, I'm surprised you would make such an asinine comment.

There's a great saying to address this sort of proposal: "Some people grow up to become celebrites or run fortune 500 companies, but most don't."

The thing about college, is that it can't hurt. Even an associate's degree in liberal arts from the local community college can put you a big step ahead of the guy with only a high school diploma when it comes to getting a job. There's nothing wrong with getting some of your core classes out of the way now, that way, if you decide you don't want a degree you won't be out too much money, but if you do then you'll have a head start on it.

[Mod note: Andrew87, I merged your last two posts together as you and I posted at relatively the same time and you didn't see mine until after you posted. You were worried about posting an off topic after my warning, now you don't need to worry about it. - sec]

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Ok people;

This thread asks: What is your occupation?

If you want to start a thread about the merits of a college education or a thread about the different requirements/beneifts of military life please feel welcome to do so, JUST NOT IN THIS THREAD.

You are all off topic (at least the last dozen or so posts).

Anything else that doesn't answer the original question, will be tanked for being off topic. Lets not hijack this thread.

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sterbo

Makes sense to me.
"Merits of a college education or a thread about the different requirements/benefits of military life" is a fascinating topic.

Instead of these last "dozen or so posts" being 'split' and "tanked" (should anyone stray once more) and instead of 'starting a new thread with that topic and losing the 12 or so long and interesting posts specific to it how about we make a new thread called 'Merits of various career path options after High School' and then move the 'last dozen or so posts' to it?

Seems easy enough and results in a win-win situation...

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Sterbo;

I never said anything about splitting any posts, nor did I mention deleting or losing any posts in this thread.

What I did say, was: When, or if, I ever feel I need help in my moderating duties, I will be sure to call you . Until then, please keep your posts on topic.

SpiralArchitect

I think it's been determined by both staff and the community that; THREADS EVOLVE.

The merits of a college education absolutely ties into this thread. I find it illogical a moderator would want to stifle conversation when the discussion is totally applicable here. Again, THREADS EVOLVE, like any good discussion does...

I have yet to answer the OP;

I am a student. I am heading into my 3rd year for becoming a registered nurse. I hope to work in an old folks home or rehabilitation center (as oppose to a Hospital, although I'm not leaving that option out, obviously). Half way there baby

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SocataSmoker

I am a pilot. I fly a small, yet powerful single-engine aircraft for a doctor between a few offices in my state. My boss is completely fine with my cannabis use as long as it is not within "working hours" and I'm very thankful for that. Unfortunately for him (I'm a damn good pilot mind you), I'm moving to Alaska in 3 weeks so on with the job hunting again!

Doc Mitch

thats cool. i used to fly in those with my dad and even had a decent amount of my own flying experience. what type of plane specifically do you fly? my dad and i were usually in cessna 152's or 182.

SocataSmoker

Socata TBM850. I started in 172's.

blondie0420

Why you would unreasonably fuck around with the font and size of your text is beyond me, too.

I got my info from counter recruitment workshops, because I'm just that against the Iraq War. But since you haven't had the pleasure of attending those, you may do a little digging here and find what you're looking for.

I would respond to the rest of your post, but then I would risk being offtopic or whatever. PM me or start a new thread if you want to talk about the military's policies.

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bytemee495

That's awesom man!

Hell ya! Miss you 29!!! Can I come live in your appt??

What's up 1toke!!! I'm about to go into a union to become an electrician! TOTALLY PSYCHED!

Jack of all trades Buzzby?! Damn

You and me both

There's the team work I like to see! haha

Any job you can blaze at is cool w/ me! lol

Yaaa...I miss good old Mr. Berkley

I was never tested but always asked till my last job. They asked. I said.."no problem" a day and a half later...i was taking the test. lol.

That's awesome deddy! I didn't know you did that

It's about time!!! Awesome stoner job!

Def! I loved college...HATED highschool

Optimal stoner job! Except when you blaze on delieveries and forget where the fuck you are, driving back! haha

-Bytemee495

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