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Old 07-06-2008, 03:50 PM   #31
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You could always have a little fun and make a test full of ridiculously hard questions about the facts/myths/effects/etc of marijuana. Tell her that this way you will know if she truly understands marijuana. The questions will be too hard and she will fail. So, you won't have to get her any pot and she will probably take it upon herself to read up on material. I am a little blazed right now so this was probably a dumb post but I like to think it was a good idea (all a joke of course).
lol wow...thats all i can say!..
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Old 07-06-2008, 04:39 PM   #32
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haha wow even if you would "test" her if he really wanted it she would learn the stuff. I say just try and be a good brother. Try everything you can to get her to not smoke. And in the meantime try and show her that moderation in life is important. Maybe find some burnouts or something to show her what happens when you dont exercise moderation.

On a lighter note, man I am glad I dont have any younger siblings haha. I just have an older sister who smokes.
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Old 07-06-2008, 06:06 PM   #33
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shes just trying to be cool. all these kids at 13 are losing their minds over these things. do what buzzby said, and hide your stuff and let her narc.
the way you said it made you sister out to be somewhat of a brat, she doesnt deserve anything for acting like that.

maybe if she said "please"?
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Old 07-06-2008, 06:09 PM   #34
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hell if your lucky and its her first time she may be like this is it. i don't feel anything (cause i know i didn't or atleast realize it). then it may be the last of it. If she does like it then at least she is getting it through you and not some one she doesn't know, and like the other post above it would be safer.
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Old 07-07-2008, 03:10 AM   #35
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Exactly. If someone has been arrested before, does that make them a hypocrite if they tell their children "don't break the law?" Or how about an ex-gang member who warns kids of what a bad idea gang membership can be? Just because one person may have made a bad decision at some point certainly doesn't mean that anyone is entitledto.

I don't believe you've entirely thought this one through, blondie.
No, I've thought this out. He is a hypocrite if he started smoking pot at 13 (or thereabout) and is now denying his sister the same right to make up her own mind. It's not the same as an ex-gang member telling a child/sibling not to join a gang. The dangers of gang membership far outweigh those of a 13-year-old using drugs. The two simply cannot be compared as you are comparing them.

But it is almost laughable that you would compare smoking marijuana to joining a gang. I thought the whole point of you being here was that you believed it's not an overly dangerous/harmful thing and that responsible people should be entitled to use it? Now you're going to liken it to joining a gang? Now I don't believe you've entirely thought this one though, Andrew.

If you go back and read my post, I actually discouraged the OP from getting pot for his little sister and/or smoking her up. Yes, I said if he started smoking at 13, that would make him a hypocrite. But did I tell him to go buy her weed and get her high? No. Shit, I even told him to lie to her about starting so young so that he wouldn't sound like a hypocrite. Why don't you go back and reread my post a little slower this time before you attempt to attack me based on one line of text that you clearly couldn't understand in context.
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Old 07-07-2008, 03:22 AM   #36
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But it is almost laughable that you would compare smoking marijuana to joining a gang. I thought the whole point of you being here was that you believed it's not an overly dangerous/harmful thing and that responsible people should be entitled to use it? Now you're going to liken it to joining a gang? Now I don't believe you've entirely thought this one though, Andrew.
While I don't feel that marijuana can be compared to joining a gang, I do believe 'responsible' is the key word here.

If his sister is only using marijuana because "her friends are doing it", that, to me, shows that she is not going to be using it responsibly. It does not seem that she knows any of the real facts towards marijuana. Putting something that you really do not know the facts about into your body = irresponsible, in my honest opinion.
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Old 07-07-2008, 03:47 AM   #37
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While I don't feel that marijuana can be compared to joining a gang, I do believe 'responsible' is the key word here.
I agree. However, in no post to this thread did I ever suggest that the OP actually allow his sister to smoke pot. In fact, I've been suggesting the opposite - that he doesn't allow her to get high because she is too young and irresponsible.

I agree that the placement of that word wasn't great. But I think those that are having issues with my posts need to look at the bigger message rather than at any individual word or line, because then you would see that I am in agreeance with the majority of posts to this thread, and that I do not believe that a 13-year-old should, under any circumstances, be smoking pot.
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Old 07-07-2008, 06:00 AM   #38
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He is a hypocrite if he started smoking pot at 13 (or thereabout) and is now denying his sister the same right to make up her own mind.
Nowhere did I (or anyone else) say that he should deny her the right to make up her mind, just that he shouldn't aid her by acquiring it for her. Hence my use of the word 'entitlement' in my previous posts - just because one person may have made what is IMO a poor decision (smoking at 13), does not entitle another to do the same. I smoked weed in my teens, but that doesn't mean I will encourage, allow, sympathize with, or overlook my future kids' use should they decide to partake when they are the same age that I was. Sure, I suppose they would have the rightto ultimately make their own decision, but that certainly does not mean that a poor decision won't be followed by consequences - a concept which would be my job as the responsible adult with more life experience to instill, and in no way would I be a hypocrite for doing so.

You ever think maybe there's a reason why teenagers aren't generally permitted to make any decisions? I'm quite confident that you already know the answer.

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It's not the same as an ex-gang member telling a child/sibling not to join a gang. The dangers of gang membership far outweigh those of a 13-year-old using drugs.
It really wasn't meant to be taken literally, it's merely sentiment. Of course gang membership carries more potential danger than marijuana smoking - "responsible decision making" is what this comparison was meant to address.
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I thought the whole point of you being here was that you believed it's not an overly dangerous/harmful thing and that responsible people should be entitled to use it?
I do believe this entirely - key word being 'responsible.' Extremely few thirteen year olds are responsible, and therefore, I do not believe they are entitled to use marijuana.


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Now you're going to liken it to joining a gang?
As I said, that was not my intent, apologies if it was not apparent - although hehtheuur had no problem interpreting it properly.


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Now I don't believe you've entirely thought this one though, Andrew.
Blatant, unnecessary, baited sarcasm. You'll likely deny it, but it's obvious when analzyed in the context you've used it. See my response to your next quote for a full explanation:
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Why don't you go back and reread my post a little slower this time
Another one of those personal jabs you claim to be "above?"

Weren't you the one who was just talking to me about how you choose not to participate in "condescending" or "rude" discussions? And that was even AFTER you made this post! I'd say that's pretty damn close to a working definition of 'hypocrisy.'


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before you attempt to attack me based on one line of text that you clearly couldn't understand in context.
...strike 3.

Presenting my own criticism of your opinion and stating "I don't believe you've thought this through" is certainly not a personal "attack" - no need to get on the defense about it. I disagreed with your opinion, and explained why, there was nothing personal about it - I'm rather intrigued as to why it made you so edgy.

And by the way, if you look back on page one of this thread, you'll see that I'm not the only one who "attacked" you (or more accurately, your opinion), yet I'm the only one you responded to. What do you think that shows?
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I agree that the placement of that word wasn't great. But I think those that are having issues with my posts need to look at the bigger message rather than at any individual word or line, because then you would see that I am in agreeance with the majority of posts to this thread, and that I do not believe that a 13-year-old should, under any circumstances, be smoking pot.
I realize this, what I disagree with is considering someone a hypocrite who tries to prevent others from making the same foolish decisions that they did - a child who has zero life experience and is prone to make poor choices, no less.

It's not about forcing your agenda on someone else, because if they want to make a poor choice badly enough - they will. However, I see absolutely no harm (or hypocrisy) in refusing to reinforce one's bad decisions even though the person in question may have done the same at some point.

For example: I have a friend who smokes multiple times per week, and first tried it when he was absurdly young (about age 9). He now (early 20's) regrets doing it so early. Would telling a 9 year old (or even 10,11,12,13 y/o so on) to wait 'til they're an adult to smoke pot make him a hypocrite? I think not. He made a decision when he was young that, although he didn't have the maturity to realize at the time, the vast majority of people would regret later in life.

Children and teenagers are notorious for making bad decisions - someone older and wiser offering guidance based on extra years of life experience certainly does not constitute hypocrisy, regardless of whether or not they made the very same decisions when they were younger.

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ive thought and thought and well my idea:
get a friend who smokes pot openly in their house and get him or her to do you a favor
go in there room and make it nasty i mean nasty horrible like have a bum sleeping in a corner and shit like that make it horrible
then be like you wanna smoke come here and give her the worst brown ass pot you can find
turn her off completely to pot

thats all i could come up with cuz ive never been in this situation
probably a dumb post though
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