It's Time To Wake Up

Aceboogi · 05-30-2009, 02:00 AM

The times are changeing radically before are eyes and not for the good of humanity. The U.S has gone from a democratic land to a socialist country and eventually into a dictatorship. President Obama is not our savior he is our destroyer. We are being manipulated and contolled to believe everything is okay. It's not just in the U.S it's happening all over the world. I know it seems like i'm just rambling about nonsense but watch the zeitgest movie online and the freedom movie on youtube. But dont just watch them and be done. Do your own research as i have and you'll realize what's really going on in the world. I dont know how many will do as i've asked but the ones that do please spread the word. As for me i'm going to tell anyone who'll listen to me. I'll pass out flyers to anyone who'll take them. I'm going to keep this thread alive to people who'll read it. People will call me crazy or a conspiracy nut or stupid. Thats okay because i believe i'm doing the right thing.

Zebra · 05-30-2009, 02:16 AM

I love the Zeitgeist movie, it's very convincing and they have hard evidence to support their claims. I, as a Catholic, believe that Revelation has a possibility of starting soon looking at what's happening in the world today.

TwoGreenOneRed · 06-01-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zebra

I love the Zeitgeist movie, it's very convincing and they have hard evidence to support their claims. I, as a Catholic, believe that Revelation has a possibility of starting soon looking at what's happening in the world today.

I just had to highlight that for all of us thinking about this topic. If you have somebody agreeing with you saying this, maybe you need to rethink your stance on the issue.

Revelation is starting soon, get your magic wands

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Murdock · 07-29-2009, 10:31 AM

All of this has happened before, and it all will happen again.

I know that what is seen as portrayed by the media is just so much bullshit, politicos are figureheads and the true powers are behind the curtain somewhere. I cannot worry about it anymore though.
I have no control over what the world/government/powers that be do or don't do.

I'm just thankful, and look for the beauty and peace in every day.

Ultimately, what is, is and what happens, happens.

**troublemaker_42** · 07-30-2009, 06:56 AM

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I love the Zeitgeist movie, it's very convincing and they have hard evidence to support their claims. .

Actually, the Zeitgeist has been pretty much throughly debunked. It consists mainly of half-truths manipulated to look ore sisnister than they really are. Read the following website. I have zero faith in the accuracy of that particular movie.

Zeitgeist, the movie Debunked - Introduction - Conspiracy Science

Now then, don't get me wrong. i'm not an Obama supporter in the least, and don't believe he's leading this country nin the direction it should be heading. However, I won't use a fairytale of a movie to justify my claims, because I'd lose credibility from anyone not brainwashed in to belieivng that movie is somehow factual. Once poeple startrambling about how the movie "opened their eyes" and "showed them the truth" I lose all interest in the debate or conversation. I can't take them seriously when so much of the movie they are basing their belif on has been proven to be false or manipulated in some fashion. The Zeitgeist carries no more credibility with me than the Bible carries to an Agnostic. Its funny watching people believe in fairy tales, but I find find it disturbing how many people buy into the "truth" aspect of the movie, when much of it is easily debunked, and more subtle aspects are further debunked with some real research. Whats funny is that of all the people who seem to buy into the movie, I've seen few scholars, scientists, and other intellectuals who promote the movie as being an honest representation of whats happening in the world. I just can't take it seriously when so much of it has been proven to be outright lies and mispresentations. I give props to the creator for making one of the most popular proaganda filsm in history,. buit at the end of the day, it isn't true or factual, earthshattering or eyeopening. Its merely ullshot propaganda, and I can't believe so many people I otherwise view as somewhat intelligent have bought into it hook line and sinker, claiming their one sided research into the matter somehow proves they are right. Thatsd the bad part about the internet and conspiracy theories...no matter how whacked out a belief, a quick google search can link you to hundreds more with the same whacked out belief. However, if enough people believe the same lie, it doesn't necessarily make it the truth, does it?

Bhikku · 07-30-2009, 02:18 PM

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However, if enough people believe the same lie, it doesn't necessarily make it the truth, does it?

Doesn't this same hypothesis apply to the people who believe what's told to them by government, corporations, and "junk science" used to push the agenda of the elite?

If the U.S. Air Force tells you "there is no such thing as chemtrails" and you see them in the sky five out of seven days of the week, does that still mean they don't exist based on the fact that the only people who acknowledge their presence are "conspiracy theorists"?

And as far as a credible source goes, the guy who "debunked" Zeitgeist on that link, Trouble, definitely doesn't hold any water with me. Here's why:

- He mentions Wikipedia as one of his sources. Wiki? Really? That's the best you could do? It's not on a website with constantly changing information that can be edited by anyone, so it's not true?

- He favors information from CNN over information from news sources like The Times of India and The Guardian. One of the most yellow groups of journalists on the planet, cats who played nonstop, nine-to-twelve-at-a-time Michael Jackson news stories and tributes for an entire week during debates on The Climate Act or the debate to audit the Federal Reserve? Not covering those stories at all?

Yeah, they're a credible source.

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Some argue that it is a CIA agent / sponsored actor, but the problem is, if the CIA was behind it, why would they get someone who is "darker" and does not look like bin Laden -- especially when they have associates of bin Laden in the "fake video" that look exactly like the correct people -- why do such a poor job on bin Laden? Especially with modern computers?

- He concentrates on straw man arguments. The real question here is not, "Are these videos real or not?" it is, "Why the hell haven't we found this guy yet? He's a seven foot Arab with a three foot beard and a dialysis machine, not Waldo. We found Saddam Hussein hiding in a hole."

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I can find no sources of such an event -- that is sources that do not occur on conspiracy web sites themselves. If the event did take place, it is not surprising, considering Osama bin Laden has many, many family members, something on the order of 54 brothers and sisters alone -- most of which have completely disowned him. Many also own or are a part of major businesses, construction companies, oil companies, etc, so it is not very surprising that rich business men meet with rich business men -- believe it or not, it is a very common occurrence

My question is, why are the leaders of major businesses, oil companies, construction companies, etc...meeting in the White House with American government at all? And why have we fought eight years worth of wars which have made government officials millions of dollars in profit, but has given the American people a trillion dollar deficit?"

This debunker doesn't ever give proof to the contrary, he just speculates as to alternative theories or brushes things off as benign. He's all, "So what if Middle Eastern oil CEOs were meeting with the President on the morning we started an eight-year war with two separate countries and effectively took over the Middle East, refineries and all? Businessmen meet all the time."

What do you mean so what? People really don't find that scenario the least bit suspicious?

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I cannot find any other substantial source on the subject. Due to the fact that it was written by an Indian, I have to doubt the article's truthfulness even more, considering there is a long standing animosity between Indians and Pakistanis.

- Oh, and he's a racist too. Awesome.

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General Ahmed was formally the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence in Pakistan[1]. The film alleges that General Ahmed wired $100,000 to Mohammad Atta. I went to try and track this down, but I only found such an accusation listed on other conspiracy sites. I finally found the original source on The Times of India web site[2]. At this time, no Wikipedia articles mention such a transaction except the General Ahmed article[3]. Several conspiracy sites say that the money was given on September 10, 2001. I just have to wonder why someone that is committing suicide the next day would need $100,000.

Probably has to do with the idea some people have that he is still alive.

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The NIST said that heat from the fires sagged the trusses, which bowed the columns inward, causing the building to collapse. After it began to collapse the inevitable pancaking ensued due to the tremendous force from above. The force from above and the pancaking itself took the rest of the building down with it.

The NIST is one of his sources??? A federal technology agency which works as a direct partner with American weapons research and development? (I know this for a fact, because I work for the Army and I work with NIST consequentially as part of weapons testing.) I do not consider the government or its weapons research and development agencies to be a credible source, as the majority of their jobs involve the constant upholding of lies. There is a lot of data which is manipulated. I work in reports. We revise a lot of stuff and take a lot of stuff out.

Okay, so this guy trusts CNN and federal agents so far, just not Indians or Arabs. Got it.

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As already discussed in this section, we talked about what caused the buildings to collapse and how they collapsed. It may look like a controlled demolition, but it is not. When floors began to collapse upon one another with a tremendous weight below them, the only way to go is down. That said, it may "look" like a controlled demolition, but believe it or not, that's just how buildings generally fall down, regardless. I imagine people expect when a massive building falls for it to fall over like a small building, but this simply is not the case.

- Where the hell are this guy's sources?

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Some reports say there were sub-basement explosions just before the planes hit. At this time I cannot find a single reliable source of such a thing happening, only conspiracy sites and unreliable "witnesses". When people are panicking, human perception can be greatly different from what actually happened. Unfortunately, I cannot trust "first hand accounts" on youtube as actual evidence, just as a bunch of "first hand accounts" of alien abductions prove nothing at all.

- He compares survivors of one of the greatest terrorist acts of all time with alien abductees. Since when did firsthand accounts of such things because less credible than corporate media and federal agencies?

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The NIST has not released their findings on building seven just yet, but when they do, be sure it will be posted here as quickly as possible.

The NIST again. Why didn't this guy just let the Department of Homeland Security take over his website and get it over with?

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It is worth noting, that not all Central Banks are privately owned, nor do all Central Banks issue Fiat currency (money based on several things, such as payment of taxes, and credible enforcement), some do back their money with gold.

Just the main one.

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Of course, the movie implies this later by saying the Federal Reserve System creates worthless money,

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but if that was the case, I don't see why we haven't had massive market crashes and wide-spread instability

as we did prior to the modern system.

Homefry doesn't consider the worst recession since the Great Depression wide-spread instability?

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However, I won't use a fairytale of a movie to justify my claims, because I'd lose credibility from anyone not brainwashed in to belieivng that movie is somehow factual.

I'm not saying by any means that everything in Zeitgeist is true, but I will say that the parts of it concerning the banking system and 9/11 don't sound any less factual than the bullshit the mainstream media and the government is spoonfeeding us nowadays.

But as far as "debunking" goes, Trouble, the counterargument, "That's simply not true," followed by no credible sources does not sway me any more than conspiracy theories and their sometimes-exaggerated connections do.

I am not a "Well the NIST and CNN said so, so it must be true" sort of girl.

I may not know the truth when I see it, but I have a pretty strong sense of when I'm being lied to. And right now, that's pretty much all the time, by all kinds of people. I don't like it, and I may not have the means to find out the "truth" (which I feel is relative anyway), but in the meantime I maintain that we are all going to hell in a handbasket and I will consequentially maintain a healthy skepticism towards authority/science/media/government/religion. Just in case.

S&MPenguin · 07-31-2009, 09:12 PM

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