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marijune

well here left wing is liberal and right wing is known as fascist so when i said left wing i meant liberal ok?
and anarchism is not chaos i don't have the time now to explain and i really suck in english so just go to some web pages and read..
peace

 

Randøm_

It is my opinion that categorization isn't terribly important. I believe that 2 things control all politicians, popularity (votes) and lobbyists lining their pockets (the ability to acquire votes).

To say the governmnet isn't necessary for the legalization of MJ is flawed in the fact that if a local community legalizes it, the federal badge boys will come in and sweep up everyone the locals won't jail. Conceptually it's possible, but not in the US as is. I'm a contradiction to myself, economically I am moreso conservative (I'd be a Libertarian if they had enough votes to actually get someone elected). Literally I am a liberal. To be even more problematic, I am a conservative for how the US was founded (with the exception of slavery) and feel the need to liberally fight to get back to the basics of common sense and freedom.

I'll support anyone that shares my views, whether he/she be liberal, conservative, or Puff the Magic Dragon!

bENJI

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Sorry, but this is incorrect. Liberals are only for more government in terms of the economy - ie, stopping monopolies, preventing flagrant pollution - not like the govt will do any of that with two oilmen in the White House.

Liberals are for LESS gov't in your private life. Conservatives want to censor the net (the Helms Bill, the Communications Decency Act). Conservatives want to crack down on all drug use, on "immoral" books and images. Conservatives want the Bible taught in public schools, no matter what your religion is.

The only way Liberals want to "interfere" in private life is social programs to help people: welfare, social security, minimum wage laws, child labor laws, and so on. The primary ideal of liberalism is "help, not harm." If we can afford to help the poor, we should, says the liberal; while the conservative says that welfare makes people weak and should be abolished. Conservatism says that intoxicants are bad. Thus, marijuana is bad even though it does not kill anyone. Pleasure is useless to the conservative. Rapturous experiences are not productive or pious and so are considered evil.

If you are economically right-wing and socially left wing (want govt out of what we ingest) you are not a conservative you are a libertarian, which means govt out of everything. I hope that helps.

p.s. Random do you go to school in N.O.? I'm at U.N.O.

Randøm_

bENJI ... ouch, that hurt, lol. In many threads here I gripe about that issue. Let's see, I'm an honor-student college sophomore, frozen. U.N.O. has a judicial committee that terminated my enrollment because of my felonious status as a one-time offender of MJ. Be very careful, bENJI, you have some of that right-wing neuroticism at your school.

bENJI

damn.
Are you that guy that got arrested at Bienville Hall?

Also did you ever hang out in Privateer Place? I lived in those apts until last Summer, maybe I know you?

Yeah UNO sucks I was arrested on Campus, spent 3 days in OPP (Orleans Parish Prison) Total B.S. (Not for pot, and all charges dropped) But UNO is an armpit in an armpit of a city.
Benji

 

BoneyDragon

I was speaking purely in terms of the control spectrum. Left is for more authoritarian government, while right respects individual freedom.

While you are correct about liberal philosophy, remember that the word liberal comes from the willingness to change. Liberalism came about during the industrial revolution when people like John Stuart Mill wanted to reform capitalism to provide social justice. Those who opposed such measures were branded conservatives because they resisted change (such laissez-faire supporters are also called classical liberals, because when Adam Smith introduced capitalism it was a new, or "liberal" idea).

By definition, conservatives want to preserve tradition (like prohibiting drugs in a social sense) but to label fiscal conservatives the same as the Bible thumpers is wrong. I am conservative in that I believe government should not interfere in the economy very much. If my right wing (and, by strict definition, liberal) social ideas make me a Libertarian (a new American term for those who are truly right wing and belong to that anarchist party of the same name), then so be it, but my point was that right-wing does not mean socially conservative.

Another important point is that no one fits one definition strictly. Everyone has a variety of views that go all over the different spectrums.

~BD

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Randøm_

[quote]Originally posted by bENJI
damn.
Are you that guy that got arrested at Bienville Hall?

Also did you ever hang out in Privateer Place? I lived in those apts until last Summer, maybe I know you?

Yeah UNO sucks I was arrested on Campus, spent 3 days in OPP (Orleans Parish Prison) Total B.S. (Not for pot, and all charges dropped) But UNO is an armpit in an armpit of a city.
Benji My incident (about 4 years ago) had nothing to do with being on campus or even during a semester ... a home invasion by Troopers (state cops). It happened about 4 years ago. My record will be expunged soon, and I'll just see if I can return afterwards ... but not UNO, Tulane. I've had my fill with the privateers. It's a comfort to know I'm not the only one here with a brain . Nice to meet ya, bENJI, should we start a Libertarian movement in this politically stagnant city? We sure could use some common sense here!

BoneyDragon

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Randøm_

lol ... hope I'm not stepping on any toes of the definitions here. Allow me to rephrase just in case ... "you have some of that irrational, anti American Revoltionary, paranoid, delusioned, witch-hunting mentality at your school".

I have no idea what the political definitions are anymore, lol, not after this thread. I feel that the anti-drug laws considering MJ as evil are downright socialistic ... oh noooo, did I introduce yet another questionable political organization into this definition debate?

marijune

this is really messing me up...i thought left wing was=liberal,libertarian,socialist and so on and right wing was=capitalist,conservative,fascist and so on...oh well
i'm in my own eyes a kinda extreme socialist half anarchist (not one of those chaos guys that run those lame warez sites) i think..
peace