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Old 10-30-2007, 06:41 AM   #1
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Default Weekend toking only. Post your thoughts

Ive been smoking for about a year and a half now. every now and then at first. say once every fornight on a saturday with mates. For the last 4 months or so i've been smoking every night. anywhere from 1-3 joints depending on my mood. usually just the one. And heres the reason i am becoming a weekend only toker. (friday sat, maybe a j sunday hehe).
Ive recently started work. btw im 17. and i have noticed that, compared to when i was at school, when i am at work, if i start a job. get caught doing something else, return to what i was doing. i forget completley what i was doing in the first place! EXTREMLEY frustrating. I have also noticed that i dont take in and process information properly. i.e. i am explained something, i do it properly, the next time i will either A. forget completley how to do it, or only remember portions. The most annoying part about it, is that i can tell my boss is seriously considering my contribution to the team. Thoughts please. Could it be related to marijuana?

P.S. I know that studies have shown marijuana does not cause memory loss etc. but i beleive it effects everybody in different ways.
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Old 10-30-2007, 06:52 AM   #2
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Hmmm, if thats what you gotta do then i guess thats what you gotta do then right? Personally, I haven't ran into many problems with the herb getting in the way of my daily life, so I haven't ever had to cut back for any perticular reason.

Also heads up, the stuff that your describing about memory loss, is that just when you're high or is it all the time? If it's the latter, then you may have ADHD or something similar to that.
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Old 10-30-2007, 06:59 AM   #3
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Its when i am sober. I am forgetful when i am high and know exactly why.
I dont think that it i have a medical condition such as ADHD or the likes because, before i was a daily smoker. I did well in school, remembered everything i needed to etc. It just seems like my mind is always elsewhere...
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:52 PM   #4
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I don't care what studies show, I have noticed a decline in my short term memory since I started getting high. It hasn't led me to believe that becoming a "weekend toker" is a solution, as I don't see it as a problem that needs correcting.
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Old 10-30-2007, 06:26 PM   #5
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While I will agree that effects can vary depending on the user, the THC doesn't really change(or harm) your brain. It just binds the the cannabinoid receptors that are already in you brain and works its happy magic for a few hours.
Marijuana has been known to mess up your short term memory while you're high and for a short period after(longer if you are heavy user) but after a little while sober you should be back to normal. I emphasize should because when you're dealing with foreign chemicals being introduced to the brain there is always a chance of an unusual or unpredictable effect.

A good way to see would be don't smoke for a week and see where you're at with your mind and just move on from there.
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Old 10-30-2007, 07:09 PM   #6
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Research was done evaluating short-term memory in a group of long-term, heavy cannabis users and a control group of non-smokers. At the beginning of the test, both groups were tested and it was found that the smokers had some memory deficits, even when sober. The test subjects were put on an abstinence program for a month and the tests were run again. At this point, there was no statistically significant difference between the test and control groups.
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From Iversen, L. 2003. Cannabis and the brain. Brain 126(6): 1252-1270


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Originally Posted by Cannabinoid mechanisms in the hippocampus and effects on memory
One of the well established effects of acute intoxication with cannabis in man is an impairment of short-term memory (the extensive literature on human studies is reviewed by Jones, 1978Go; Miller and Branconnier, 1983Go; Solowij, 1998Go; Earleywine, 2002Go). Many studies have shown significant effects on short-term memory, particularly when tests were used that depend heavily on attention (Abel, 1971Go; Mendelson et al., 1976Go). Animal studies have also found that THC, synthetic cannabinoids and anandamide cause deficits in short-term memory in spatial learning tasks (for a review see Hampson and Deadwyler, 1999Go). These include delayed matching or non-matching tests in rodents (Mallet and Beninger, 1998Go; Hampson and Deadwyler, 1999Go), performance in a radial arm maze (Stiglick and Kalant, 1985Go; Lichtman and Martin, 1996Go), and a fixed ratio food acquisition task in squirrel monkeys (Nakamura-Palacios et al., 2000Go). The effects of both cannabinoids (Lichtman and Martin, 1996Go) and anandamide (Mallet and Beninger, 1998Go) were reversed by rimonabant, indicating that they are mediated by the CB1 receptor.

A probable site for these effects is the hippocampus. Hampson and Deadwyler (1999)Go claimed that the effects of the treatment of rats with cannabinoids on short-term memory in a delayed non-matching to sample test were equivalent to the effects seen after surgical removal of the hippocampus. In each case the animals were unable to segregate information between trials in the task because of disruptions to the processing of sensory information in hippocampal circuits. CB1 receptors are expressed at high densities in the hippocampus. They are particularly abundant on the terminals of a sub-set of GABAergic basket cell interneurons, which also contain the neuropeptide cholecystokinin (Katona et al., 1999Go), and this is also the case in human hippocampus (Katona et al., 2000Go). These are presumably the GABAergic neurons involved in the endocannabinoid-mediated DSI phenomenon described above. The terminals of these cells surround large pyramidal neuron somata in the CA1–CA4 fields. GABAergic neurons in the dentate gyrus also express CB1 receptors, with terminals concentrated at the boundary of the molecular and granule cell layers (Egertová and Elphick, 2000Go). In addition CB1 receptors are expressed, at a lower level, in the glutamatergic pyramidal cells and their terminals. Cannabinoids can thus inhibit both the release of GABA and glutamate in hippocampal circuits.

The mechanisms underlying synaptic plasticity have been studied more intensely in the hippocampus than in any other brain region. In particular, the electrophysiological phenomena of long-term potentiation (LTP) and long-term depression (LTD) are thought to be involved in memory formation at glutamatergic synapses in the hippocampus. A number of studies have shown clearly that cannabinoids inhibit the induction of both LTP and LTD (for review see Elphick and Egertová, 2001Go). Cannabinoids appear to work by reducing glutamate release below the level needed to activate NMDA receptors, a requirement for LTP and LTD (Shen et al., 1996Go; Misner and Sullivan, 1999Go). Although the actions of cannabinoids in reducing GABA release from hippocampal interneurons might have been expected to increase the level of excitability of hippocampal pyramidal cells, it seems that the cannabinoid-induced reduction in glutamate release predominates. The administration of exogenous cannabinoids is, of course, wholly unphysiological and cannot mimic the effects of endocabinnoids that are released in discrete local regions in response to particular patterns of afferent inputs. CB1 receptors are capable of regulating both inhibitory and excitatory neurotransmitter release in the hippocampus and are thus capable of subtle control of synaptic plasticity. The CB1-containing GABergic interneurons are thought to control oscillatory electrical activity in the hippocampus in the theta and gamma frequencies, which plays a role in synchronizing pyramidal cell activity (Hoffman and Lupica, 2000Go). CB1 agonists decrease the power of such oscillations in hippocampal slices (Hájos et al., 2000Go) and may thus influence the synchronous activity of pyramidal cells. The physiological importance of cannabinoid-mediated DSI may be to decrease GABAergic inhibition of these cells and thus facilitate learning when hippocampal inputs are active (Wilson and Nicoll, 2001Go).

One approach to answering the question of what role the tonic release of endocannabinoids may play in hippocampal function has been to examine the effects of CB1 receptor knockout or of selective CB1 receptor antagonists. Un fortunately, these studies have so far yielded conflicting results. Bohme et al. (2000)Go reported a significant enhancement of LTP in CB1 knockout mice, and Reibaud et al. (1999)Go found a significant enhancement of memory in such animals. However, tests with the CB1 antagonist rimonabant showed no effects on LTP (Terranova et al., 1995Go) or on learning and memory in a spatial learning task (Mallet and Beninger, 1998Go), although Terranova et al. (1996Go) reported that rimonabant enhanced memory in a short-term olfactory memory test in rats (social recognition test).
Basically it's been shown to impair short term memory in the short term but there is
little to suggest that effect is permanent. Also there is some evidence that suggest
it may have a positive long term effect on some kinds of memory.
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:15 PM   #8
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Thank-you all very much for your help. I think that i am going to follow K-M-K's idea and run a test on my self. I very much appreciate the help from you all. and i remember buzzby posting the same response to something earlier and was hoping he didnt post the same thing here. lol. nvm, its is useful info.

"Marijuana has been known to mess up your short term memory while you're high and for a short period after(longer if you are heavy user) but after a little while sober you should be back to normal."

Is a short period of time considered the next day? Or even sooner? Could you just perhaps sleep it off?
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Old 10-31-2007, 12:29 AM   #9
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i guarantee for recreational use if you just smoke on wknds you will get LIFTED every time and it will be more fun. me i smoke everyday lol.
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Is a short period of time considered the next day? Or even sooner? Could you just perhaps sleep it off?
I doubt it. Personally I'd stop for a week and just go from their.
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