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cj117

Oh such idealism in the land of the stoners..
if I were high right now I'd be agreeing with every liberal attempt to get something done.
But I'm not, so... cynicism and lack of hope, here I am!!

 

Buzzby

I think that headline is inflammatory. More accurately, the Dalai Lama can't stop Tibet protests. It is not within his powers. He's a spiritual advisor, not a despot who can order people to do his will. He told them that violence is not the way. If you read his actual words, that's exactly what he told the press.

I can't stop them, either, but then no one has suggested that I could.

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dedbr

For some reason I just had a mental image of Buzzby on a plane heading to Tibet with his Mini-14 strapped to his back to get some payback....... If you do Buzz, let me know because I just love those suicide missions.......

Oh, that's right....Non-violence, huh Buzz......

ST21.....

Because to them it's a matter of national security. The Tibetans were allowing western journalists into their country to expose the refugees that were fleeing China into Burma. The Chinese couldn't allow it's citizens to leave their little paradise; it made them loose face. Once you understand the culture over there a little better it all makes perfect sense. At least to them......

As far as world affairs are concerned, most people are very ignorant about the why's and wherefore's. Having spent a great deal of time as part of my job studying world politics, I have learned that there are curtains hiding the deceptions and lies perpetrated by governments as a control mechanism. I don't wish to alarm anybody, but by current estimates from people who know, like me, we are headed for the worst fifty or hundred years we have ever had. The great depresion was a cocktail party compared to what's in store for us in the future.

There is a small but growing faction of folks who want the western states to withdraw from the union formed long ago in Philadelphia, and start a new country that will become an economic entity that will rival the country we have now. More and more it is becoming apparent that the western states are thumbing their noses at the government in Washington and seeking to make their own laws as they see fit. The medical marijuana laws that have been passed are a prime example of this attitude among the western states. This is only a small but noteworthy example of the attitude growing in the people's minds. TM also pointed out that we must ship our cattle to either Canada or Mexico to have them processed. The ranchers are denied grazing rights to public lands that they have used since before they were public lands.

The Cival War was a precursor to the problem we have now. If we don't learn from our mistakes, we are doomed to repeat them. And we are repeating them. The freedoms we hold so dear are nothing but smoke in the wind now. We have had a president for the last eight years that did not have the majority of voters choose him, but because of a foolish voting system that doesn't allow our votes to mean anything, we take it in the ass because of a fool who is overwhelmed by a job he is not capable of doing. I wonder how long we will continue to allow these ignorant sumbitches to run us in the ground?

By all predictions we won't have long to wait. The desperate situations as far as the lack of food and other necessity's in other countries will soon be hitting us, and when your hungry you really begin to loose any sympathy for other people's problems.

Anyway, I stray too far from the topic. As far as the supposed crisis in Tibet, it will be ignored. Oh, of course there will be lip service payed to this. The government's of the supposed free world will condemn the Chinese government's actions, but it really won't change anything. China knows this and if truth be told, everybody else does too. Soon most people will get fed up with a country full of supposed leaders that are unwilling or unable to do the things that will save us, and then they will find out that it's every man for hisself and the devil take the loosers.........

Desparate times call for desparate measures, and if your kids are hungry you will do anything it takes to save yourself.......Just another day closer to a real problem.......


Some Where In Ded Land.........

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Buzzby

1. Where would 6,000,000 refugees go?
2. The Chinese government doesn't allow people to leave. Tibetans living outside Tibet had to be smuggled out or were born in exile. If caught trying to leave, they would have been shot.
3. Tibetan history goes back more than 2,000 years. It is their culture, their history, their motherland. Their name for Mt. Everest, Chomolungma, means "Goddess Mother of the Earth".

StonedImmaculate21

Thanks for that, Buzzby. So basically what's happening here is the Tibetans are being held hostage in their homeland, while the Chinese government try to eradicate their culture and their religion. (I understand it's more complex than that, but that's the overall situation.)

I didn't know much about the situation before, but I'm going to look into it more deeply. Needless to say, I'm thoroughly outraged. These people have a right to their culture.

 

Abbazabba1212

"Cultural Genocide" was something His Holiness The Dalai Lama used to describe the situation, and he's pretty much right. It's ridiculous. Now I'm hearing that China is using deadly force if the protesters don't give it up by midnight Tibetan time. I hope it doesn't come to that, I really do, but I can take the smallest, most pathetic shred of solace in the fact that there will be a great many countries boycotting the olympics this year if they really do start firing on the protesters.

My sister says we need to invade China and make this stop. Terrible idea. Invading China would only result in nothing less than Global Thermonuclear War! This quagmire is unbearable.

Buzzby

I don't know where you're getting your news, but it looks like 160 have already been shot by the Chinese. So far, I haven't heard of any countries pulling out of the Olympics. I hope enough of the world's people raise enough stink over this that they do.

Invade China and this country would be without socks, shoes, and underwear. China has the US in its pocket. It seems like every product on store shelves is made there and we've borrowed hundreds of billions of dollars from them to pay for the excesses of the Bush regime.

If the pressure can be kept up and countries start to boycott the Olympics, it might have some effect on Chinese policies. The down side is that, in order to keep up the pressure, Tibetans may have to keep protesting and keep dying. Dying is not such a big deal to a Buddhist as it is to someone from a Judeo-Christian culture. You have to keep coming back until you get it right, anyway, and dying for a good cause generates good karma.

I wish the Tibetan protesters would follow the Dalai Lama's program of non-violence. Peaceful protesters getting beaten down plays much better than rioters getting shot, in terms of the international stage.

cj117

Sounds like Tibet would be a nice place to live.
you know, if it weren't for all the genocide and such..

Buzzby

Actually, Tibet is a terrible place to live. 95% of the country is above 16,000 feet and people who weren't born to it have trouble breathing. It's cold. It's windy. It's very, very dry. The only reason China wants it is for its mineral wealth (which the Tibetans wouldn't mine out of respect for their Mother, the Earth) and as a place to push off some of its excess population.

Viper420

There is a great deal of land for the chinese to spread out on, even though most of it isn't suitable living space. I read today that the Premier of China has said that Tibet is part of China and the trouble in Tibet will be put down by any means needed to do the job. And with the largest army in the world at their command, get ready for a blood bath. When the media pulls out or is forced out just watch the bullets fly.
The illness is called altitude sickness and it can be life threatening if not treated quickly or thats what they said on the Discovery Channel.
The only places that look inviting is the valleys.