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it doesnt sound equal to me, he hits his car, he chokes him.

what a dick cop

 

iloveunot

he left school by jumping out a two story window... is that not enough insight as to why the officer felt it necessary to stop him in the first place? This is an (im assuming because of the high school setting) underage teenage male, who has a history of depression...

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Originally Posted by gabriel420 I got diagnosed with severe depression almost a year ago after seeing therapists n shit for a long time since i was young.

and you dont see any reason why this officer felt he should use force without the consent of an apparently suicidal teen? also, he mentions hes been taking prozac... do you know that there is a risk of suicide in teenagers who take antidepressants, all the good they mean to do just take a look at this. FDA Study Links Antidepressants, Teen Suicide
Do you not think that psychologists, school administration, and law enforcement are not aware of these things, and do not work together to try to prevent tragedy?
if this had have been a sadder case of a teen who actually was suicidal, and the officer did nothing and let the teen go, and then killed himself... im sure he searched him to see if he had any objects with which to harm himself.... not just randomly picking on some punk teenager (although OP, you probably are a punk and no offense, and i bet/hope you learned your lesson)
take a look at the fucking big picture here, cop is just doing his job, and making sure he goes home with a clean conscience and not a dead teenager that killed himself that he could have gotten help in time... i dont know if he crossed any lines legally and i dont know how biased the story that we're hearing is... but i bet the cop figured he was doing this kid a favor by giving him a few bruises in exchange for his life, if the cop thought the kid was trying to kill himself
and ill tell you, if i was a teenager in that situation, i wouldnt be able to keep a calm head and not fight back. if i knew i wasnt planning on killing myself and it was just a joke leaving school like that, id be super pissed and fight back, and i wouldnt be thinking that oh maybe theyre trying to take me to be psych evaluated cause i ditched school by jumping out a 2 story window.... i might not understand why a cop was forcing me to go somewhere without being arrested or being read my rights...
gabriel420, it was a dumb prank what you did, and maybe the officer went too far, but i do think some people need to be able to see this situation a little differently

dedbr

Uh....I don't know whether I even want to get into this one, but my first question would be, why were you resisting? What possible good could it do you not to do what the cop told you to do?

You resisted right there. Why? If you had nothing on you, what difference did it make?

Why did you keep resisting. If you knew you weren't in trouble and weren't packing, why resist so much? I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense to me.

By refusing to comply with his 'request' you refused to obey a lawful order. The officer is not required to read you your rights if he is conducting an investigation.

Didn't he put handcuffs on you? That's standard operating procedure for any one who is considered a threat to their self or someone else. Why weren't you put in cuffs?

Gee, that explains a lot. Let me see if I got this right....You are under the age of eighteen, you are the responsibility of the school while on the school grounds, you jump out a second story window, create a panic and then it's just "pretty funny" to you.

Then when an officer attempts to check you out, probably to make sure your all right, and you start screaming about your "rights" and what are you under arrest for, and the supposedly cop who can't speak said nothing at all the whole time? He just drove up, slammed you on the car, frisked you, and tried to put you in the car, without handcuffs, and you became so combative that he had to threaten to taze you. Then, after you "decided " to get in the car, you proceded to damage government property, and in the officers attempt to stop you from said destruction of property you resisted again and ended up getting yourself hurt because you refused to do the normal thing and be a good boy?

Does that about sum it up? That after breaking about ten laws the cop still lets you go and only makes you go to see a psyche to be checked out?

I'm sorry, and no offense or anything, but I've had several contacts with law enforcement, some good and some not so good, and I've never heard of such a reaction from an officer without provocation. Maybe you could elaborate on the essentials a little bit?

Tenderlungs....

He resists the officers lawful orders, resists arrest to the point that the officer feels force is necessary to subdue him for his own safety, then he tries to damage the car after he's put in it, then he resists again, then gets one of the biggest breaks of a lifetime as far as I'm concerned and he's bitching?

Your disappointed in us because we feel there may be a little more to the story than what he's told us? Or do you think all cops should be listed as assholes and we should just accept the story without wondering why it went from a simple check to a physical confrontation just because he wanted to be an asshole to the cop?

I smell a little bit more to the story than we have heard so far. As a matter of fact, a lot more.........I'm sure Bart or Phuzz may have some more detailed questions that could help us get the story straight........

Up to now though, I smell horsepoopy. Sorry, but I have heard these stories before and there's always something we aren't being told.......

What's it going to change to tell him these things and ask a few questions? Maybe some other kid who's acting like he's a smart ass will think twice before he does something stupid like this, that's why. This sure as hell isn't the way to handle a situation like this, and I hope that "most" of "us" know that......


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Alive-And-Dreaming

That sucks, man. I had a bad run with the cops not too long back. I try to remain neutral and judge each cop individually, but I always get a tiny bit nauseous whenever I see a crown victoria, much less a cop car.

Dark

Preach? Certainly not preaching. I'm sharing my view. I'm sharing a view that will hopefully help him out in the future. I am sharing a view that will hopefully help out the drug war when stoners become less violent and unaware in situations like these. I am sharing a view that he should've known already. I'm sorry but I don't care that he's young. Everything that happened, I will say again, he brought upon himself.

No, the cop didn't hurt him because he jumped out of a school window, he hurt him because gabriel was resisting! I don't care how fucked you think you are, you never resist an officer in any physical way.

What am I supposed to do? I'm not going to baby him, say it's alright, and fuck the pigs. He did wrong. If we don't teach him that what he did in his experience was wrong, maybe no one will. I'm sure his friends aren't sitting around saying "Man, you should've just listened to the officer..."

If anything I'm helping him, not preaching.

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gabriel420

First off, i'm not underaged, i'm 18. And it's pretty obvious i'm not suicidal. I didn't start givin g the cop shit immeadiatley (that'll get uou nowhere, I learned that the hard way when I was younger), only once he was giving me shit. And tell me something, how much "damage" can a skinny 18 y/o do to a a sheet steel with his bare fist?
And as for why I "resisted", what would any of you do if you started getting searched and detained for no apparent reason? There was no reason for him to pull out a tazer, I've been arrested a few times before and NEVER, EVER has a cop ever threatened anyone with a tazer even when they run or get pysical. I wasn't physical with the guy, I wasn't acting angry or out of control (at this point). I didn't do ANYTHING remotely violent until I punched that metal divider. Yeah, really necessary to taze someone who's probably half your weight and isn't violent and doesn't have any weapons.


I'm sorry, and no offense or anything, but I've had several contacts with law enforcement, some good and some not so good, and I've never heard of such a reaction from an officer without provocation. Maybe you could elaborate on the essentials a little bit?

By this I take it you mean i'm either embellishing the story, making it up, or leaning it in my favour? Maybe you should get some more experience with them before doubting someone who has.


Up to now though, I smell horsepoopy.

Try pulling your head out of your fundament then.

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Darkflan

Jumping out of a window is no grounds for a psych eval. Come one. Its jumping out of a frickin window? Never done it? If you know how to land its pretty fun. But I understand the teacher calling the cops, if this was a public school. In college, who gives a a fuck

Also If they do think your suicidal and not in your right mind set, they are going to get you to a hospital for help no matter how much you resist. On one of those cops worst chase videos I watched a woman who was skitzo and not on her meds drove down the high way and when cops pulled her over she shot about 2-3 of them. I cant remember, but for shooting at officers, she got off on everything, because she wasn't in her right mind.

So it is very plausible for him to get away with fighting back and resisting, how was the arresting officer supposed to know this kid might be acting out of his mind or suicidal, obviously thats why he was sent to the seen and probably expecting it.

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timiscute

Well if I had nothing on me as you say you did and I had no warrants. There's no way I'd resist. If you think about your two options you could : a) submit to a search, the cop finds nothing on you, and there's nothing he can do. or b) resist, probably get into a physical altercation, come close to getting tazed, and possibly arrested for assaulting a police officer. I think most rational people would pick the first choice. The only way you should resist a cop is if you have like a warrant for murder on you because at that point you're pretty fucked anyway.

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Dark

You were resisting him. He obviously could not detain you by himself so he threatened to use the tazer because he either knew you would after seeing it, or would after he used it. It's just common procedure man. You think you are a special case or something, you're not. Anyone who does what you did would probably have the same or worse done to them.

Learn to control your anger.it'll get you farther in life

StonedImmaculate21

Yes, but in his version of the story the cop stopped him down the street from his house, at least an hour after he jumped out of the window. He never said that the cop stopped him because he had jumped out of a window, in the original post, the cop never mentions it. If this is why he was stopped, it seems like the officer would have said so, but in the OP it sounds like the officer stopped him for no reason, or at least a completely unrelated reason.

Gabriel, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, because if it did happen just the way you told it, then, as I said before, that is truly shitty. All I'm saying is the story as you told it is so far removed from how a normal, decent police officer would act, that it's only natural for an uninvolved, objective third party to have their doubts. Again, maybe I'm missing something here, if so, please enlighten me.

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