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WoodstockBob

To answer your questions..........let me say THIS about THAT. Yes i would stand up and yes in front of my parents and yesyesYES infinity! I think the "WAR" on Canibus has got to be one of the greatest wastes of the taxpayers dollars of all time. But then again, since when did the fatcat politicians worry about how they waste our money?? And now the "WAR" has been turned into a cottage industry where many people are making tons of cash from this "WAR" (Drug Forfeiture Laws anyone?). But i truely believe that this can be changed if enough people get involved and let their voices be heard! Does the word Prohibition ring a bell? Once again the genius politicians tried to implement a totally stupid law...........and what was the outcome. BESIDES Al Cappone i mean? The people won and the law was repealed because the government geniuses realized that the law couldnt possible be enforced. We have the power of the vote, peeps, and we CAN make a difference, but when some elections have as low as a 10% turnout that means that a minority will speak for the majority. WE MUST GET INVOLVED or nothing will ever change. Peace out...................WS

 

Ganjx

times have changed my friend. government controlled media spin wont raise awareness. besides, the majority of the people dont value good bud the way they do alcohol. why? thats beyond me.

Gringle

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I see exactly where you're coming from. I've noticed a few other posts around here lately too acknowledging the fact that it's great to have these discussion's with each other, but it isn't really changing much. We need to be discussing it with people who don't agree with us so that things can really change.

The problem with this is, ninety-nine percent of the prohibitionists crowd is made up of people who have been brainwashed with government propoganda or need a scapegoat for a problem and drugs are an easy one for them to use. People think they are doing the "right" thing when they hold anti-drug opinions.

Unfortunately, most people really don't think for themselves at all. I can illustrate this point perfectly with to examples:

1) Nazi Germany - How a whole country could go that completely insane all at once is incredible! But it doesn't say to me that Germans were bad people. What it says is that they're like all other people - not too bright in general. Their leaders whipped up a bunch of propoganda and look at what the end result was? Innocent people being slaughtered and a huge war that most of the country probably initially thought was the "right" thing to be doing.

2) I'll call this the Oprah Winfrey Paradox (hehe) - We've go a country filled with robots basically who just repeat what they've been told by the government about drugs (and may other things but thats another essay). Imagine if one day an Oprah Winfrey show aired in which (once the anti-prohibition movement really gets going, and we are right on the verge of change anyway, I can picture this happening) say a bunch of victims of the drug war were there or something and our country's drug policy was basically exposed for the sham it was. I'd wager that half of the soccer-moms and other people watching it would suddenly think as if they had always known it was a sham and start talking to people, etc. about how outrageous it is to be putting our kids in prison and whatnot over something like marijuana use simply because it would be a more popular belief. "Oh did you see that Oprah show, yes it's so terrible, I mean the war on drugs does so much more harm then good." It doesn't matter if I said the exact same things, they would have to be coming out of Oprah's mouth for them to beleive.

Soccer-mom type people aren't bad people (I'm picking on the soccer-moms because I can vividly see this Oprah thing happening and I think it's just really retarded basically), they actually think they are doing what's right. They are basically stupid and easily manipulated, as are most people except the very open-minded. Once it's a popular view to hold, you can be sure that we'll have soccer mom's all over the place *****ing about how horrible the drug war is and how we need to change (specially if any of their "soccer-kids" end up getting screwed over for smokin weed once they're older.

NOTE TO SELF: This is getting way to fricking long.

These are the kinds of people whose minds we need to change. The government has been so effective in brainwashing a large portion of our society, that simply not holding the same prohibitionist view is sufficient to discredit your views on just about anything if it fits whoever's agenda you're arguing with.

I've basically changed my mom's opinion about things, but it didn't happen until I was 19 and in trouble with courts for drug related charges. How I made her see the light basically was, I pointed to the jail in downtown when we drove by and commented on the fact that of all the million or so people in the north half of my metro-area, all of the ones that can't be in society are locked up in that little tiny bulding. One tiny little building for the worst of the worst of a million people. Then I commented that because of the fact that I smoke marijuana, that is enough reason for the government to want me to be in there. As a marijuana smoker, they would want me in the cage where only the worst 0.2% or whatever of everyone in my city have to be there. Now my mom is not about to lump me in with the scum of society - people who steal, kill, or otherwise interrupt other's pursuit of happiness. And now she realizes that the drug war is insane.

Unfortunately, I had to have my ass on the burner for her to think about things objectively. She's my mom, so she doesn't want bad things to happen to me. Now she realizes that marijuana wasn't a bad thing to have happen to me; having a government that isn't primarily interested in it's citizens best interests and is willing to lock up people for no legitamite reason besides not doing what I was told as if I'm 7 years old, is definitely something that can harm me.

On another note, most of the politicians who keep pot illegal suffer from the same brainwashed soccer-mom syndrome the rest of the population does. They think they are helping things out, they think that all these anti-prohibition arguments are the result of a bunch of crazed drug addicts trying to clear the road so we can get a fix anytime we want. This is definitely a case of people who think they are doing the right thing being but are stupid being just as dangerous if not more than those who just set out to be evil and screw people over in the first place.

Sooooo.... back to the main issue at point, talking to people sho don't hold our views.... is obviously the only way to change anything. I would suggest writing a well structured essay of a few pages and sending it out to as many people as you can. Post it all over the internet and get the word out. A lot of people are stupid, but a lot of people just don't have enough information, and I'm sure that there are tons of people out there who don't smoke weed and never will but can still appreciate the atrocity of what is going on here and help us to change it.

Case in Point: For a term paper in political science at my college, I wrote an anti-drug war paper. I ended up with an 'A' and a lot of nice comments. Basically the teacher agreed with me. I never get A's in school, but this was something I was passionate about so I came through I guess.

Also, if you give coherent arguments and keep your cool, you lend more credibility to other people like us and help dispell myths such as the fact that bud smokers are lazy and stupid and drug addicted. This is such a stupid generalization. I'm 19 freakin years old and don't even consider myself to be much above average in terms of raw intelligence. I also smoke a whole hell of a lot of marijuana, and while I'm not noticing myself getting any stupider I do find myself seeing problems in a new light and wishing I could change a lot of things in our country that need to be fixed, even besides prohibition.

I wonder if it's the fact that marijuana is so conducive to this kind of thinking that the government doesn't like it.
I'm sure the CIA and NSA are terrified of it being legal, but in the meantime they can sit back and not worry about it because they've got all their robots running around thinking they know everything and continuing this sad cycle.

I'm sorry this was so incredibly long, if you read it all then thanks! If you really want weed to be legal, start distributing the information out. Do talk to your parents (if you're old enough or they're open-minded enough to listen to you). Specially with your mom, bring up the jail point like I was saying above, that one gets to em good hehe. And above all, don't resort to just flaming and yelling and that sort of thing. I used to be more into arguing about this issue by that means, and all it did was make me look like a drug addict who didn't really care about facts and just wanted my drug to be legal so I could get high all day.

For the amount of time I just spent writing this, you could compile a whole lot of info into a very powerful essay and start getting the word out. Send it to politicians even, remember they are mostly complete dickheads yes but only in the way that they think they do whats right but are stupid. Actually, scratch that, I think most politicians are more into money :-( Send em one anyway!

I'll write a nice clean essay and post it in this place to read, if you don't feel like writing just send mine to people or show it to your parents and whatnot. I guess instead of writing that essay I just wrote an entirely different one to motivate you guys but that's OK too I guess. Let's get this changed guys, I don't want any of us to be writing our philosophical thoughts from a jail cell someday, but unfortunately a lot of people are in that situation now...

Ganjx

gringle, i dont quite understand your animosity toward humans. people are sheep...but a person is an incredibly intelligent and cognitive being by nature. even morons cursed by genetic disposition would be smart had society not set the the 'stupid' conditions, if you will. for the most part, youre right; the collective intelligence of this country is terribly low. this is because americans are continually miseducated from the moment they learn to speak. public school is a bureaucratic brainwashing machine. parents unknowingly prep our young minds for the cleansing.

as i said before, people just dont value good bud enough to change anything. if everyone concurred with our arguments it wouldnt do us much good. they must be passionate enough to change it. note that the majority of the people already think marijuana should be legal. should it matter that its 60 percent rather than 90 percent? aside from that, we live in a republic...public opinion is no longer relevant.

if we want to change things well have to go to the root of the problem. capitalism; it is nearly impossible for such a system to embrace marijuana. i can (and have) state many reasons why this is so. such a system requires an incredibly large poor sector, otherwise, it will fall. this is precisely what will happen should marijuana be legalized. america will become heavily reliant on marijuana...and as you can see...the poor have no problem obtaining weed. marijuana would restore the balance and ultimately destroy the current standard of living. that is why we must first reexamine our form of government.

for now, decriminalization remains consequential, and impossible.

stavia hippie

and i know others would, my parents know, my pastor and church knows, a lot of people know. they dont condem me for it, they know its nothing bad. my mom has told me many times, she would rather see me smoke a j then get all drunk and be sick.

i would stand up and fight, were do i get into line?

peace,

 

dedbr

Peace to all-
I'm not going to repeat what you said,Gringle.Just comment.
Most people do think for themselves.Don't make that assumption because of the laws dictated by a few.The truth is that most people are uninformed.To say that this "Talk"does no good is silly.This is the way that the uninformed are informed.What this medium does is enable us to spread the word.And it's a lot faster that magazines or papers.Where would I find out about the facts that are happening in California,except than thru the medium we have before us?Not thru my local paper.They won't even print my letters.Not relevant to the local political climate,I suppose.
Politicians are controlled by special interest groups that make the biggest campaign contributions.Therein lies the crux of the matter.We need to put our money into the politics of this country to sway public opinion in our favor.Once we get a few big name pols to speak in our behalf,and sponser or author a bill for legalization, we can finally win.Thats pretty simple,isn't it.
I'm done now.Let me step back with the flock.

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Homer

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Gringle

I don't have animosity towards people at all. If you want to disagree with me then fine, just remember I'm on your side. If you want me to rephrase, fine, people are not stupid, but they definitely are easily manipulated and or brainwashed. I'm not saying that I'm immune from it either. Sure, me and most of you would be in agreement about marijuana prohibition, but if we were talking about something else we might disagree and it could very well be the result of the fact that I too have been conditioned in some ways. If it makes you feel better to say this in a different way, we are all products of our environment. And sure, in a sense I guess people think for themselves, but when their thoughts are dictated by a whole bunch of misinformation, well that isn't really thinking for yourself that's thinking exactly what they others want you to think. And as for talking about it doing no good to talk about it, that's not exactly what I said. I said talking about it with people who already have the same opinion is pretty fruitless, that it is more paramount to be talking to others who don't agree. I've seen this same idea posted by several other people, including KWhite, and then everyone has agreed with it. If you really had a different view on something in my post (and read the whole thing) and want to say it then so be it, but I really hope people aren't flipping me **** just because I'm new on the board. Sure some parts of my post may have come off strong, but basically I think what I said is a real angle (my view) of part of (not the whole) the problem in our country.

dedbr

and I agree with your post on just about every word.
But here's the rub,and I have had this pointed out to me by one who is more enlightened than I.I can't be insulting to anyone when I'm making my point.And in my opinion,telling someone that they are brainwashed or stupid is an easy way to shut their mind off to me and my words.Brainwashed doesn't equal an informed or misinformed opinion.Telling someone that they are stupid or "sheep"is a good way to close their mind for good.
I like to start a conversation on the prohibition of weed with a news story.This is a fact that supports my argument and helps to convince a person that maybe they should change their veiw or their thinking.Calling them brainwashed and stupid doesn't keep them standing there long enough to finish my sentence.
I love ya brother.Don't think that I'm dissin' you or disrespecting cause I'm not.Keep comin'back;we need your voice screaming from the rooftops of this movement.

Gringle

You're actually completely right so I won't even argue back hehe.

If I was talking to someone I was trying to convert, rest assured I would leave out the part about the sheep and whatnot and put it more like "you've been lied to a lot." Anyone else who wants to put a word in, hear this first. I'm admitting that my post was worded a bit harshly and would not be a good thing to show someone I was trying to convince because it could be taken as offensive. I was really just pretty high and rambling but I think you got my main point, which is to start getting the word out all over the place. It's incredibly satisfying when you give someone all the facts about the matter, and then see them make an educated decision on the issue (because most people who make an EDUCATED decision in this matter end up deciding to be on our side).

dedbr

That the laws we have now were made by people who think they have made an educated decision.To us these laws are antiquated and unjust,but they wholeheartedly beleive that they are right.