Futuregrower

Okay, so I saw a t.v. show about prostitution. Seems one European country (damned if I can remember which one) had a problem with streetwalkers- you know, prostitutes walking the streets looking for customers- and they solved it. The prostitutes were disrupting traffic, creating an eyesore, and the prospective johns would sometimes hit up unsuspecting housewives, asking how much? Etc.,Etc.
How did they solve it?

They built a special little cul-de-sac, more like a circle with 1 way in/out. there are about 12-13 stalls in it, rather like roofless, doorless garages. The prostitutes are in this circle, and a prospective john can come in, go by the line of ladies and take his choice to a stall, where they can engage in whatever they like as long as it's in the car and not too noisy or whatever.

The local police always have at least 2 officers, 1 close by the stalls on foot to watch over the girls, the other in a car, crusing close by the circle, making sure no-one is working outside of it.
The prostitutes pay a small fee per night to help defray the cost of cops and construction, everyone is much safer than going down a back alley or what have you, and all the prostitutes have access to all sorts of condoms and education about STD's from a charity that visits all the time. Also, no prostitutes are allowed outside this circle- this takes something that ALWAYS goes on, no matter how police try to crack down, and moves it to where they can keep an eye on things.

Johns/Pros in the circle are left alone, so long as nobody is hurt or fighting or openly too intoxicated to drive.

So, given that the U.S. is often a bit militant when it comes to 'blue laws', would a system like this work in a medium-size town? Bigger towns may have more than 1 circle, of course.

I think it would definatley cut down on crime, as you would get less rape/assults and rough-off artists.

In the words of the late George Carlin, "Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal? I can think of many things you can sell that are worse for you than an orgasm."

So, what do you think? would it work in the U.S.? Why or Why not?

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Dark

A system like this would work everywhere. Legalize it and make it safe already.

Brothels can be arranged, in sterile and clean environments. Girls can be tested, men can wear condoms. It can be run as a business like usual, but friendly environments and comfortable atmospheres.

If someone doesn't pay, they can actually call the police without fear of arrest themselves.


Legalizing prostitution is so much easier than keeping it illegal. It reminds me a lot of the drug laws, really.

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Futuregrower

yup, dark, that's what made me think of this site- no more petty arrests, no more problems, or at least vastly reduced problems.

And, the show said ladies DO call the cops if the john doesn't pay. The officer is right there, after all.

The small fee- I dunno how much, all they said was 'nominal' so let's say 10-20 dollars- is simply passed on to the johns. The customers said they liked it, as it was a nice atmosphere, no worries about kids or passerby seeing you, and if you caused trouble, good luck getting in next time.

Just wondering how it would go in the U.S., since right now it seems to be 'prostitution is BAD. Period. Except in certain counties in Nevada.'

What else do we know that the powers-that-be say is "BAD, Period"?
Please, lets not always see the same hands.

East Bay Ray

it works well in areas in nevada

kakaman81

This same idea was used in the HBO tv show The Wire.

In the show a particular district was having a hard time trying to keep the statistics of crime down because of all the drug selling/use. So one of the head police officers got the idea to only allow selling within a certain block. Everyone started to call it "Hamsterdam". This would allow the police to work on more troublesome crimes. The dealers weren't hassled but if they sold outside of Hamsterdam they were ruthlessly harassed.

mrsuperstereo

"Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal? I can think of many things you can sell that are worse for you than an orgasm."

Selling is legal. Legislation is legal. Why don't politicians just sell legislation? Oh ya... they already do.

That argument does not make sense, furthermore, there's several instances in which sex is illegal anyway. To blatantly state that sex is just as "legal" as eating a hamburger with an 8 year-old girl is absurd. Sex is a very complicated subject, and if you don't know why that is, I feel sorry for you. This is not a victimless crime, and the victim is not the person receiving the orgasm (the buyer), it's the person giving it.

I don't agree with prostitution nor do I think it would benefit our society. My guess is that it would hurt society to legalize prostitution. It's not a matter of economics, law, or morality for me... rather, my opinion of prostitution is that it's quite physically and psychologically unhealthy for society and everyone involved. As the future father of my soon-to-be-born daughter, I don't want her growing up in a society that labels prostitution as a legitimate, legal business. I never want her to consider that for money. You can call me biased for being a father, I guess, but the reality is that I'm thinking about all women.

Prostitution is psychologically and physically unhealthy. No matter what the girl tells you, she doesn't want to be there. She doesn't want you anywhere near her. She doesn't anything to do with you, and she's willing to lay down her dignity and disgust of you for some much needed dough. That is ridiculously psychologically unhealthy for anyone. The longer a woman does that with her life, the more broken she'll become.

It's no secret that prostitution attracts broken women, which already suffer from bad pasts. These women often keep themselves up on cheap illegal drugs to help them get through every disgusting pervert she has to deal with.

Yes, people who pay for sex are perverts... plain and simple. Women are not wired/evolved/made/whatever to separate emotion from sex, and the more they fight their human nature, the less-happy and more broken they'll become. Taking part in prostitution feeds this. Knowing there are several men out in the world that would pay for sex and not give a single shit about the girl's life, I now feel like throwing up. he gets his jollies, she gets another skelleton in the closet,

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying women don't enjoy sex. Women naturally want to suck dick all day long. It's a natural desire. What they crave more is a man who takes the times to know their body so well, he can give her multiple orgasms every time they interact. This isn't impossible, and it's actually quite easy. I haven't met a girl that isn't like this... whether its obvious or something that must be unlocked deep down inside them. However, what makes or breaks all of this is the matter of choice (im not talking about consent).

Women want to choose a dedicated man to do this everyday to them... and in turn suck dick all day long for him. When women put aside this natural desire to please a man of their choosing (a desire fueled by love) to make an unattractive pervert cum, she'll eventually spiral down into a self-hating depression.

Sex is supposed to make life 1,000,000 times better... just like how weed makes life better. If sex is making your life worse... that really really sucks. If I was a girl and prostitution was the only way I could make a decent living, I'd probably consider suicide daily.

Is it really that hard for some people to get laid that they're that willing to drop a nice chunk of dough to ejaculate? Seriously? If that's you, please do yourself, women-as-a-whole, and society a favor and go buy a book on the female mind the next time you feel like dropping $100 for a piece of a girl's life.

It is a fact that anyone that is down for prostitution is one of two things:

1. selfish and/or evil. or...

2. completely ignorant of how women work, and thus have no clue that women are hornier (but much more emotionally vulnerable) than men. I've never had a gf that didn't practically rape me almost everyday.

Futuregrower

wow.

FenceWalker

Yeah, I agree.

As someone who lived a time in a country where prostitution (and cannabis) were legal, I'll just say I disagree with mrsuperstereo, based on my own experiences.

Monthly clinics kept everyone safe, they could call the police instead of hiding from them if there was any trouble and most importantly to me anyway the incidents of rape went way way down.

Sure there were women there because of poverty. Sure there were women there that probably wanted to be doing something else, just like any job. I know several women that really don't want to be working at a meat packing plant.

A lot of women I talked to said they wanted the choice, though. More choices are always better than fewer.

But I'm sure they appreciate you telling them what they feel and think.

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mrsuperstereo

if by that you mean that you had a sister that was a prostitute and you were totally cool with it and she was really down for the job and it didn't destroy her mentally, i'll take you seriously. i'll also take: you got a master's in psychology and followed 1000 prostitutes over a 20 year period asking them questions about the job and their mentality. i'll also take: my mom was a prostitute. it was her daily job as she raised me. it made her really happy and paid our bills, and she has no regrets and I'm really really glad she took that route. it had no negative mental effects on her or myself.

however, if by that you mean that on a few occasions you paid a girl to fuck you/pretend to have an orgasm and after you came she handed you a coke and a lucky strike and then she answered any questions positively about prostitution and/or the encounter to make you feel good and she did it all with a smile for $200... if that's what you meant, you might want to try again.

Futuregrower

mrsuperstereo, ok, we get it. You don't think prostitution should be legal. Okay. I totally get you. The fact that you posted @ 1152 pm and then 1230 am, before anyone else even replied, shows you are way committed to no prostitution. I understand. I totally agree, that adult females, not under coercion of a pimp, not being beaten, free to walk out anytime they want, with a cop nearby, are victims. Horrible, terrible tragedy. It's truly senseless, is what it is. Prostitutes should be herded into recovery homes, where they can join the Federal Witness Protection Program to escape the stigma of the path that they chose willingly, even if they want to continue down said path. It's like heavy-duty drug additiction, really- HELP THEM!! They don't really want to do it, they want a nice respectable job, where they can focus on their natural desire to suck dick.Thank you, Mrsuperstereo, I will chalk your answer up as "prostitution is horrible and should not be discussed in a calm, rational, open matter but should be banned forever, in all places."



Now, back to the question- would something like that work in the U.S? or would it serve to increase crime?
Personally, I think it would decrease crime - far beyond the obvious way of making something legal, therefore reducing the number of laws being broken. I think it will help with rapes, assualts to both genders, muggings, etc.
Also, it may serve to legitimize the ladies (and men, lets not forget the gay men or women wanting an 'escort' for the night). By this I mean, look at places like amsterdam- women sitting in little windows, often attached to their house, attracting johns- and they are respected as professionals, not looked down on as mere 'streetwalkers'. Even their children know that Mother is a prostitute, and no big deal. I think society makes something 'dirty' , the act itself is not 'dirty'.

Do you think this would work in the U.S.A.?
Work better or worse in a small city? a big city? out in the country?