Yana Usdi

I just realized that the main video for the date I mentioned isn't available due to copyright issues, it was when I first posted the link because that's where I watched it. The rest of the info for the date is still worth a look. But I've got another source that I've also posted before which briefly touches on the same subjects. From New Scientist.


And the web site with the interactive info mentioned in the video, the second video on that page is a tutorial on how to use it. First one is just the same one you see here. Data itself under the vids where it says "You can explore the health data graph here."

The scientific arguments for US healthcare reform - health - 24 July 2009 - New Scientist

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MetallicaFan495

Can you explain more about what this really does texas toker?

Texas Toker

Yes. By allowing insurance companies to be exempt from anti trust laws the government allowed insurance companies to collude with each other without fear of prosecution.The companies get together and come up with a pricing structure that THEY like not one dictated by market supply and demand. So as an example all the CEO's of the insurance companies in Texas have a meeting and decide that they need more profit. So they all raise prices on premiums by 10 % and lower reimbursements to providers by 20% giving the insurance industry a 30% net increase in profits. The buyers and providers both get screwed and the insurance companies and their shareholders are happy.By taking away their ability to escape prosecution from anti trust laws the insurance companies will live or die by their ability to attract buyers to their product.

What is anti trust??


United States antitrust law is the body of laws that prohibits anti-competitive behavior (monopoly) and unfair business practices. Antitrust laws are designed to encourage competition in the marketplace. [1] These competition laws make illegal certain practices deemed to hurt businesses or consumers or both, or generally to violate standards of ethical behavior. Government agencies known as competition regulators, along with private litigants, apply the antitrust and consumer protection laws in hopes of preventing market failure. The term "antitrust" was originally formulated to combat "business trusts", now more commonly known as cartels. Other countries use the term "competition law". Many countries including most of the Western world have antitrust laws of some form; for example the European Union has provisions under the Treaty of Rome to maintain fair competition, as does Australia under its Trade Practices Act 1974.


these businesses have been exempt from these rules since 1945. The big government of the time allowed them to screw the people of the future (us) while allowing them to make money post WWII for economic recovery. This is the basic fallacy of Keynesian economic policy.

What is Keynesian economics? Well basically it is a philosophy that government can control markets better than free markets through government spending and regulation. FDR,Carter and Obama are good examples of presidents who believe in this theory.Jefferson,Adams and Reagan were presidents who believed in supply side economics, which is where government is seen more as a referee and less of a player in the free market.

To reform the system we have all we need to do is remove their exemption and allow for people to buy insurance from any company we want.As the law is now you can only buy from a company that sells in your state. If they do these two things the market will fix itself.Unfortunately too many people in Washington want to keep the power they have so they WANT you to depend on them for your each and every need.

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LowRider

So i wounder if this passes, will they let the market fix it self or do we stilll get sucked in the national health care???

thats a no brainer since some people have been serving life terms in congress and else were in gov.. time for term limits!!!!

Texas Toker

/agree

23skidoo

it's absolutely baffling that the richest country in the world has not yet implemented any sort of UHC and people are actually fighting against it. can't understand it.
http://galiberal.com/wp-content/uplo...eWorldMap4.jpg
the US is in good company with the worlds authoritarian and developing countries.lol.

MrIMStoned

I think America should be coloured green on that map, since they are trying.

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23skidoo

it's not UHC they are trying to implement.