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Stephanie S.

As the elections draw near and the evidence piles up I feel a certain sense of responsibility to give a true picture of George W. Bush. The fact that I’ve actually contemplated moving to Canada if Bush is re-elected is shocking to me. Why should I or anyone live in fear of the President? Well, here's why.


"If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world and nation building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road, and I'm going to prevent that....I. ....I don't want to be the world's policeman, I want to be the world's peacemaker ."
George W. Bush-First Gore-Bush Presidential Debate-October 3, 2000



“On June 30th, the Coalition Provisional Authority will cease to exist, and will not be replaced. The occupation will end, and Iraqis will govern their own affairs..... By keeping our promise on June 30th, the coalition will demonstrate that we have no interest in occupation.” May 24, 2004 United States Army War College

I think they call it flip-flopping when John Kerry does something like this.

I assured [Iraqi women leaders] that America wasn't leaving. When they hear me say we're staying, that means we're staying." President George W. Bush, November 17, 2003

and..............

October 17, 2000 The Third Gore-Bush Presidential Debate
MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: "Today our military forces are stretched thinner and doing more than they have ever done before during peacetime. I would like to know what you are -- I think we would all like to know what you as president would do to ensure proper resourcing for the current mission and/or more selectively choosing the time and place that our forces will be used around the world."

BUSH: "If this were a spending contest, I would come in second. I readily admit I'm not going to grow the size of the federal government like he is. Your question was deployment. It must be in the national interests, must be in our vital interests whether we ever send troops. The mission must be clear. Soldiers must understand why we're going. The force must be strong enough so that the mission can be accomplished. And the exit strategy needs to be well-defined. I'm concerned that we're overdeployed around the world.

Where is that exit strategy?

“We have no desire to dominate, no ambitions of empire.” George W. Bush, January 20, 2004

But wait..!

Now U.S. engineers are focusing on constructing 14 "enduring bases," long-term encampments for the thousands of American troops expected to serve in Iraq for at least two years. The bases also would be key outposts for Bush administration policy advisers. - March 23, 2004 - Chicago Tribune


If you still believe that George Bush is effectively handling the Iraq situation, turn off the campaign ads and open your newspaper. On the day of the first debate, car bombs killed 49 people and wounded 217. The dead included 35 children and a U.S. soldier. Terrorists seized ten more hostages. That was one day in Iraq.

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel has been trying to shake Bush into reality. "The worst thing we can do," Sen. Hagel said, "is hold ourselves hostage to some grand illusion that we're winning. Right now, we are not winning. Things are getting worse."

Republican Senator John McCain also spoke the truth: "We made serious mistakes.... Allowing those (insurgent) sanctuaries has contributed significantly to the difficulties that we're facing, which are very, very significant."

And Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said that the Bush administration has done a "poor job of implementing and adjusting at times.... We do not need to paint a rosy scenario for the American people."

The CIA's National Intelligence Estimate, secretly prepared for President Bush in July, spells out three scenarios for a future Iraq. One scenario predicts more death and destruction at the current level -- and that's the BEST-case scenario. The worst case predicts full-scale civil war.

If we were together in a car driving the wrong way down a one-way street, you'd want to change direction, right? But what if I kept my foot on the gas pedal while boasting of my steely resolve? Would you admire me from your passenger seat? Would you ignore those headlights getting closer and closer? Would you vote to keep me in the driver's seat?

Bush regarding the War on Terror
Apr 2004: "One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course, you can."
Aug 2004: "I don't think you can win [the war on terror]."
Aug 2004: "Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror]


Bush on Oil Prices
Campaign 2000: "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price."
Apr 2004: As gas prices in the US continued to rise, the Miami Herald reported that Bush refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds."

Bush on Social Security
Mar 2001: "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." Also, " [F]or years, politicians in both parties have dipped into the Trust Fund to pay for more spending. And I will stop it..." really???

Feb 2002: The New York Times: "[T]he president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes."

Jan 2004: "In his first three budgets, Bush (who had the good fortune to take office at a time when the surpluses were growing rapidly) and Congress used $480 billion in excess Social Security payroll taxes to fund basic government operations — about $160 billion per year!" [Slate]

2005 Budget: Budget projections (Table S-10, receipts; Table S-12, outlays) show the entire Social Security surplus being used to fund the general government operations of government through at least FY 2009.

For you single issue voters, maybe you ought to take a look at the Big Picture. If you keep your focus narrowed to a War and fear, everything else may just crumble around you.

peace

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"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to audio)

 

Herb Ninja

This disgusts me. I love the idea of halting the extending of troops around the world and nation building. In that quote he seems to recongnize that this sort of "police to world" mentality will bring us serious problems down the road. But now we have more troops in foreign countries, not less. And what we are doing could certainly be defined as nation building. 1000 of our troops are dead in Iraq, just a taste of the serious problems to come.

What a lie, hes helped to erect several new federal programs and increased the size of the federal government.

Bush/Cheney 04! Peace, HN-

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"Truth is treason in an empire of lies." -Ron Paul

S2

Empty words for those of us who noticed that the calandar has advanced since 9/10/01. 9/11/01 may not have changed things for Kerry but It did for me

Niteshift

I think they call it flip-flopping when John Kerry does something like this.

Where is the reversal? He is stating clearly that he doesn't want to occupy Iraq and wants them to take charge of their own affairs. And is making it clear that we will stay and assist them until they are capable of doing that on their own.

Where is that exit strategy?

Where is this hard to see? The exit will happen when free Iraq is firmly in power and able to handle it themselves.


“We have no desire to dominate, no ambitions of empire.” George W. Bush, January 20, 2004

But wait..!

Now U.S. engineers are focusing on constructing 14 "enduring bases," long-term encampments for the thousands of American troops expected to serve in Iraq for at least two years. The bases also would be key outposts for Bush administration policy advisers. - March 23, 2004 - Chicago Tribune

Where is the contradiction? The presence of bases is hardly "occupation" or "empire building". We have bases all over the globe. We have more than 14 in Germany and we clearly don't run their body politic. We have bases in Japan, who operate very independant of us. This comparison is ridiculous.

Republican Senator John McCain also spoke the truth: "We made serious mistakes.... Allowing those (insurgent) sanctuaries has contributed significantly to the difficulties that we're facing, which are very, very significant."


McCain is a RINO.....Republican in Name only. Many of his positions are contrary to the Republican party, much like Zell Miller and the Democratic party.


The CIA's National Intelligence Estimate, secretly prepared for President Bush in July, spells out three scenarios for a future Iraq. One scenario predicts more death and destruction at the current level -- and that's the BEST-case scenario. The worst case predicts full-scale civil war.


Is this the same CIA that didn't know the Berlin Wall was coming down until they saw it on CNN?


Bush regarding the War on Terror
Apr 2004: "One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course, you can."
Aug 2004: "I don't think you can win [the war on terror]."
Aug 2004: "Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror]

Taking snippets and making comparisons......wow, that's a first for Democrats.


Bush on Oil Prices
Campaign 2000: "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price."
Apr 2004: As gas prices in the US continued to rise, the Miami Herald reported that Bush refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds."

Have you considered that Bush, like others who have never been president (like John Kerry) underestimated what the president can and can't do in reality? For 2 decades, as a voter, I've listened to politicians from the local to the federal level tell us what the "will do", knowing that it's not up to them SOLELY. Their promises ignore the need for cooperation by their respective councils, legislatures, Senates etc. What they really should be saying is "I'll try....."



Re: Social Security: Times and events change. In 2000, we were not involved in a large military conflict. Now we are. Sometimes events dictate actions, not the other way around.



With this post, and your comment "The fact that I’ve actually contemplated moving to Canada if Bush is re-elected is shocking to me.", can I now safely state that you are no longer "undecided", as you strenuously claimed while posting primarily anti-Bush posts, or are you still maintaining that you are undecided?

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Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is muzzle flash.

Stephanie S.

WHERE is the question! Where is the exit plan? How are we going to get our troops OUT of Iraq with the mess that’s been made over there? Maybe I should have an eye exam because I just don’t see the exit strategy. You just stated the conditions that the Administration will need to exit. What is the plan? Stay steadfast and keep watching innocent people die in the crossfire of the insurgents and our military? Great plan.



“Official records on these subjects are misleading, although instructive. According to the Defense Department's annual "Base Structure Report" for fiscal year 2003, which itemizes foreign and domestic U.S. military real estate, the Pentagon currently owns or rents 702 overseas bases in about 130 countries. These numbers, although staggeringly large, do not begin to cover all the actual bases we occupy globally. The 2003 Base Status Report fails to mention, for instance, any garrisons in Kosovo -- even though it is the site of the huge Camp Bondsteel, built in 1999 and maintained ever since by Kellogg, Brown & Root. The Report similarly omits bases in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Qatar, and Uzbekistan, although the U.S. military has established colossal base structures throughout the so-called arc of instability in the two-and-a-half years since 9/11.

Marine Brig. Gen. Mastin Robeson, commanding our 1,800 troops occupying the old French Foreign Legion base at Camp Lemonier in Djibouti at the entrance to the Red Sea, claims that in order to put "preventive war" into action, we require a "global presence," by which he means gaining hegemony over any place that is not already under our thumb. According to the right-wing American Enterprise Institute, the idea is to create "a global cavalry" that can ride in from "frontier stockades" and shoot up the "bad guys" as soon as we get some intelligence on them.”~ Chalmers Johnson

How many countries have military bases in the U.S.? Bush wants to add to the empire with 14 more. Yes, that is ridiculous.


How about the rest of the Repubs who are concerned about the direction Bush is taking this country?

The CIA's National Intelligence Estimate, secretly prepared for President Bush in July, spells out three scenarios for a future Iraq. One scenario predicts more death and destruction at the current level -- and that's the BEST-case scenario. The worst case predicts full-scale civil war.


I imagine so! And I think it’s the same CIA that Bush got trusted to give information that would give him ammo to attack Iraq.
Lucky me! I’m not a Democrat! I got the idea from Republican ads.


Have you considered that John Kerry has been a part of the lawmaking process in this country for more than two decades and might know how the system works a little better than George? Thus, Kerry may not make such an erroneous and empty promise.

Events that diverted $1.4 TRILLION Dollars? I and many others opposed this war and don’t see it as an excuse for taking money from people who rightfully earned it to fight a war over control of oil fields disguised as “liberation”.


I’ve decided I’m definitely not voting for a man I think is arrogant, egomaniacal and steadfast to the point of the destruction of innocent lives. Yeah, I have decided I’m not voting for Bush. Shocking, huh?

 

Niteshift

WHERE is the question! Where is the exit plan? How are we going to get our troops OUT of Iraq with the mess that’s been made over there? Maybe I should have an eye exam because I just don’t see the exit strategy. You just stated the conditions that the Administration will need to exit. What is the plan? Stay steadfast and keep watching innocent people die in the crossfire of the insurgents and our military? Great plan.

Do you need a stick figure drawing and a flashlight? The plan is pretty simple: Assist Iraq in getting their new government up and running, gradually draw down as they take over more and more functions until we are no longer needed.

Unfortunately, you have some unrealistic, simplistic expectation that you will see a chart with specific dates and times on it. That's not how military actions work in the real world.


“Official records on these subjects are misleading, although instructive. According to the Defense Department's annual "Base Structure Report" for fiscal year 2003, which itemizes foreign and domestic U.S. military real estate, the Pentagon currently owns or rents 702 overseas bases in about 130 countries. These numbers, although staggeringly large, do not begin to cover all the actual bases we occupy globally. The 2003 Base Status Report fails to mention, for instance, any garrisons in Kosovo -- even though it is the site of the huge Camp Bondsteel, built in 1999 and maintained ever since by Kellogg, Brown & Root. The Report similarly omits bases in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Qatar, and Uzbekistan, although the U.S. military has established colossal base structures throughout the so-called arc of instability in the two-and-a-half years since 9/11.

What is your point?

How many countries have military bases in the U.S.? Bush wants to add to the empire with 14 more. Yes, that is ridiculous.

First, you ask "how many COUNTRIES".......then you answer with "Bush wants to add 14 more". That is DECEPTIVE. Bush wants to add 14 bases in ONE country, not 14 countries.

Further, you use the deceptive and inflammatory word "empire". What you are apparently unaware of is that US bases are in other countries with the PERMISSION of those countries (except Cuba, who disputes the legality) and that quite often, the government of those countries exercises a significant amount of control over those bases. This can include how many local workers MUST be emplyed, how many soldiers can be there, types of equipment that can be present on the base (such as no nuclear weapons), what types of aircraft can be operated in the area, what law violations by the US personnel will fall under the jurisdiction of their government and many other things. These are called Status of Forces agreements.

But you act as if we go in, stake a claim and tell the host country to get the hell out, leaving them with no say in the matter.

How about the rest of the Repubs who are concerned about the direction Bush is taking this country?

So? Both parties have members that cross party lines. Let me make something clear to you. You have a misconception that just because someone claims to be a Republican, that I somehow value their opinion more and that if a person claims to be a Democrat, that I give no weight to their opinion. That is simply untrue. So just because a couple of Republicans have differeing opinions, I'm not going to really care that much.

I imagine so! And I think it’s the same CIA that Bush got trusted to give information that would give him ammo to attack Iraq.

I know, from personal experience, that the CIA is "human". They make mistakes. They get intelligence wrong. They produce incorrect analysis. They are fallible. So if you think I'm going to get up in arms because the CIA says "there are 3 possible outcomes", you're wrong.

I always find it funny when folks like you hold up the CIA as "proof" to support your claims, yet most other times, you'd ignore anything they said.


Lucky me! I’m not a Democrat!

You may not be registered as one, but by all reasonable standards, in this election, you are a Democrat.


Have you considered that John Kerry has been a part of the lawmaking process in this country for more than two decades and might know how the system works a little better than George? Thus, Kerry may not make such an erroneous and empty promise.

Kerry does it in EVERY speech. He promises he WILL enact his health care plan. What he never mentions is "if the House and Senate also pass it". He promises to do many things.........never mentioning that those things will be done only with the consent and support of a majority of the legislative body.

Sure, we SHOULD know that, but many people seem ignorant of that little fact. They blame Bush for everything from gas prices to flu shots. Kerry makes a LOT of promises that he can't keep without the cooperation of many other people.


I and many others opposed this war and don’t see it as an excuse for taking money from people who rightfully earned it to fight a war over control of oil fields disguised as “liberation”.

I'm not surprised that you oppose the war when you think that it's about oil.

I’ve decided I’m definitely not voting for a man I think is arrogant, egomaniacal and steadfast to the point of the destruction of innocent lives. Yeah, I have decided I’m not voting for Bush. Shocking, huh?

Funny how you were claiming to be undecided just a couple of weeks ago, yet, in the space of a few weeks have built up that much dislike for him.

Where were you for the past 4 years? How could you have been that uninformed, yet become so passionately anti-Bush in the space of a few short weeks? Seems odd.

Stephanie S.

Wow! Now you can read my mind! Wrong again. Please stop implying that you know what my expectations are. And your stick figure remark is insulting. Can you debate with dripping sarcasm all over the floor? That “simple plan” doesn’t look so simple from the images I see from Iraq.

How many countries have military bases in the US? THAT was my question. In another sentence I said he want to add 14 more. I’m sure most intelligent people will be able to see that the 14 more was a reference to Iraq. Of course those are for one country! I didn’t mention this: “Other countries mentioned as sites for what Colin Powell calls our new "family of bases" include: In the impoverished areas of the "new" Europe -- Romania, Poland, and Bulgaria; in Asia -- Pakistan (where we already have four bases), India, Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, the Philippines, and even, unbelievably, Vietnam; in North Africa -- Morocco, Tunisia, and especially Algeria (scene of the slaughter of some 100,00 civilians since 1992, when, to quash an election, the military took over, backed by our country and France); and in West Africa -- Senegal, Ghana, Mali, and Sierra Leone (even though it has been torn by civil war since 1991). The models for all these new installations, according to Pentagon sources, are the string of bases we have built around the Persian Gulf in the last two decades in such anti-democratic autocracies as Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.” How many would that amount to?

Many of the countries where US bases are located are or were not politically stable. Having a few American bases on their territory gives their leadership a sense of security. That was why the South Koreans balked when President Carter proposed moving U.S. troops out of South Korea in the late 1970s. South Korea had just started to export more and more goods to American markets.


http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/analysis/2004/03illusions.htm
I highly recommend you educate yourself about US domination worldwide.
Though some insist that “empire” means only direct rule over large-scale conquered territory, the United States today looks decidedly imperial. People have been making this “imperial assertation” for decades, it’s not as though I just manufactured the idea out of the clear blue sky! "America bestrides the world like a colossus; neither Rome at the height of its power nor Great Britain in the period of economic supremacy enjoyed an influence so direct, so profound, or so pervasive. ..." ~Harold Laski -1947

As for the SOFAs., “So”?

No, I act as though I give a damn that the US has significant numbers of troops spread all over creation and that this Administration seeks to add to the number.

Nope, didn’t think you would get up in arms. I’m not. I’m just trying to understand the logic, or lack there of in this Administration.

Folks like me? It is just amazing how you know what I would ignore or not. Are you psychic?

Nope, I’m not. Your standards and mine vary widely. See, I don’t, for the most part, label people like that. (OK, I’ve occasionally referred to people as sheeple...)

Every speech? Really? You watch a lot of Kerry speeches, huh? Who’da thunk it.


I guess “they” don’t understand the situation with China and their enormous thirst for oil and steel, huh?
I dunno who thinks its Bush’s fault there aren’t enough flu vaccines. I did think it was stupid of Bush to say he’s not getting a flu shot, he’s leaving it to people who really need it. Um, Mr. President, PLEASE get a flu shot, if you get the flu and die, Dick Cheney would be in charge!

Of course you're not surprised! I'm really smart!



I’ve said it before and I am saying it again for, I sincerely hope, the LAST time. I am STILL UNDECIDED! I only know that I am NOT voting for BUSH! Stop questioning my honesty, Niteshift. I actually considered voting for that man this year. Unfortunately, during the last presidential election I was in the process of moving from NY to CA and making stops in between and basically ignored the elections. So, I didn’t take the time until the past 3 years or so to really take a look at who is running our country. I admired GWBs demeanor immediately following 9-11. I can’t imagine what it must have been like for him to hear that news whispered in his ear that day. I admire the fact that he maintained such a strong, stoic presence at that time. The people he has chosen to surround himself with are what led me to question his integrity as a human being. What’s funny? That I made an informed decision around as the time of the elections gets very close? Wacky, I know.

Herb Ninja

Not an empire..... Peace, HN-

Niteshift

Wow! Now you can read my mind! Wrong again. Please stop implying that you know what my expectations are. And your stick figure remark is insulting. Can you debate with dripping sarcasm all over the floor? That “simple plan” doesn’t look so simple from the images I see from Iraq.

I respond to you in the manner in which I am responded too. If you'd like me to show you examples of where you have implied what I "really mean" or examples of your sarcasm, I'll be happy to dig them out.

Or you could simply own up to the fact that you do it and quit pretending to be innocent.

And the plan does look simple to me in terms of planning. Overly complicated plans and plans on too stringent of a time table are usually poor ways to conduct military operations.

How many countries have military bases in the US? THAT was my question. In another sentence I said he want to add 14 more. I’m sure most intelligent people will be able to see that the 14 more was a reference to Iraq. Of course those are for one country!

Can't simply admit that you phrased it wrong, can you?

I highly recommend you educate yourself about US domination worldwide.

I'd suggest that you not pretend that you know what I do and do not know.

I'm willing to bet that I have been in FAR MORE foreign countries than you, both in an official capacity (military and federal) and for personal reasons, and have far more FIRST HAND experience actually dealing with foreign governments over many of the very matters that I mentioned than you will EVER have.

Tell me Stephanie, how many negotiations of status of forces agreements have you attended (let alone participated in). How many foreign attorneys general offices (or their equivelent) have you negotiated the application of treaties and agreements with? I can guess, but I wouldn't want to assume, so you can answer for yourself.

I know, both in application and principal, what the US government does and does not do in many instances when establishing or maintaining US military bases. There is no "empire building" involved. Again, this is FISRT HAND knowledge, not something I read written by some person I don't know.

As for the SOFAs., “So”?

So, learn what they are and what they entail before spouting words like "empire".

Honestly, did you even know what a SOFA was before I posted?

No, I act as though I give a damn that the US has significant numbers of troops spread all over creation and that this Administration seeks to add to the number.

Spreading troops out doesn't equal empire building.

Folks like me? It is just amazing how you know what I would ignore or not. Are you psychic?

For a teacher, I find your lack of reading comprehension troubling. I said folks LIKE YOU, not you in specific. You may FEEL I implied you in specific, but I did not say that.
(Now are YOU going to tell me what I "really meant", something you just condemned a couple of paragraphs ago?)

Nope, I’m not. Your standards and mine vary widely. See, I don’t, for the most part, label people like that. (OK, I’ve occasionally referred to people as sheeple...)

Funny, just a few days ago you commented on how troubling you found it that a person in my profession would disagree with a law. You had this notion that people in my profession would automatically support any law. That smacks of sterotyping to me. Stereotyping= labelling.

Every speech? Really? You watch a lot of Kerry speeches, huh? Who’da thunk it.

Actually, I watch or read a great number of his speeches.

And I'll conceed that "every" may be an over-statement. "A VAST majority" would not be an overstatement at all.

I dunno who thinks its Bush’s fault there aren’t enough flu vaccines.

John Kerry does.

"Even allowing for the hyperbole natural to the final weeks of a presidential campaign, Sen. John Kerry's effort to tag President Bush with the blame for a shortage of flu vaccine is a stretch.
"We've got people standing in line for hours on end — some of them in their 70s and 80s," Mr. Kerry lamented the other day. "It's just business as usual with George W. Bush: You got to ignore it, deny it, then try to hide it, and then say you would do it the same way." He, Mr. Kerry, has a plan, though it's not much clearer than his "plans" on so many other issues. "
http://washingtontimes.com/commentar...0608-1492r.htm

"This being a presidential-election year — in case you hadn't noticed — it didn't take long for the political campaigns to start pointing fingers. John Kerry blamed the President, saying the Bush Administration had ignored repeated warnings that the situation was deteriorating.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...733810,00.html

So, there you have it.........Kerry blames the president. I'm sure I can find where Edwards blames him too.

I’ve said it before and I am saying it again for, I sincerely hope, the LAST time. I am STILL UNDECIDED! I only know that I am NOT voting for BUSH!

I hate to break it to you, but there's really only 2 candidates that have a snowballs chance in hell of winning. One is the guy you're NOT voting for.

But I encourage you to make a statement and vote for any "third party" candidate.

Stop questioning my honesty, Niteshift. I actually considered voting for that man this year.

I find it odd since you post only negitive things about Bush, whom you've already decided you won't vote for, and consitently defend Kerry, a man you claim you haven't decided you are voting for yet.

Perhaps you could save me the trouble of look and tell me how many threads about third party candidates you've been active in compared to the number that are out there to bash Bush?

What’s funny? That I made an informed decision around as the time of the elections gets very close?

The two candidates are in such sharp contrast to each other, I find anyone who is still "undecided" to be amusing to an extent.

To me, and I AM entitled to my opinion, the differences are so stark that being unable to decide by this point makes me wonder if the undecided person is actually sure of where they stand on things.


Not an empire.....

Exactly.

Stephanie S.

Niteshift, you are right. My whole "I'm undecided" thing is a sham. I'm full of crap and know nothing. Did I know whata SOFA was before you mentioned it? Give me a break. I got nothing better to do then learn some stuff since your man Geaorge's NCLB left me as a "not new" teacher therefor I am unemployed...because I haven't been HOUSSEed and districts can't HOUSSE not new teachers because they are scrambling to HOUSSE their current teachers.

How many Foreign Countries have you been to, Niteshift? Care to comapre passports? I enjoy travel abroad.


Can't admit WHAT? You are expert at twisting things to your liking. I meant what I said and said what I meant.

None. But I bet you have vast experience in this area I can however read and happen to have some knowledge of the SOFAs our military holds with various countries. Where exactly did you acquire your expertise in military negotiation of SOFAs?

As for empire building. You see it one way, I see it another. And that's about all I have to say about that.