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Old 11-25-2004, 01:31 AM   #1
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Old 11-25-2004, 06:44 AM   #2
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Ukraine's got nukes.

Not good.
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I'm hoping for a Georgia (the country) type 'velvet revolution' - but don't really expect it. It seems more divided between Russia and the EU.

And what's with the orange the opposition uses....
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Old 11-28-2004, 05:11 AM   #4
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are you paying attention to this? Thing getting interesting.
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are you paying attention to this? Thing getting interesting.
They've started talk of eastern Ukraine vs. western. Not good.

Hey, I just love that the international community is condemning the Russians!

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WHAT HAS MADE THE SITUATION an international crisis is the heavy-handed Russian interference in the election. Russia's involvement is so beyond the pale that two former presidents who led revolutions against Soviet-installed puppet governments in their own nations--Vaclav Havel of the Czech Republic and Lech Walesa from Poland--have waded in on the side of Yushchenko.

Havel sent a letter which was read by Yushchenko at an evening demonstration in which he urged Yushchenko and his followers to continue their fight. Walesa arrived in Kiev two days later to support Yushchenko. He spoke twice to the crowds at Independence Square. The situation reminded him "of the struggle that we carried on with Solidarity in the 1980s," he said.
I don't know about the rest of you, but Putin's really making me nervous.
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They've started talk of eastern Ukraine vs. western. Not good.

Hey, I just love that the international community is condemning the Russians!
Yep, very good to see "new Europe", notably Poland and the Czechs taking the slower, more bureacratic, perhaps egocentric countries in the EU on a lead.

And color me a Transatlanticist (it's been such a while, do I spell that right? ) - but it seems the USA and the EU are on the same line here. They showed some footage of election fraud that didn't look good; burned ballots, people who showed up to hear they already voted and photocopied ballots. No way the Supreme Court can remain credible and justify that (It is not the USA)

This "Revolution" can still go either way, but it may be over before we know it:

Protesters Push Through Fence at Ukraine Parliament
KIEV, Ukraine (Reuters) - Supporters of opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko broke through a fence surrounding Ukraine's parliament Tuesday, massing around its main door after the chamber failed to debate a no confidence vote in the government.

Reuters correspondent Yuri Kulikov said they broke through the fence chanting: "Yushchenko, Yushchenko!" Parliamentary speaker Volodymyr Lytvyn said: "I appeal to protesters. Don't storm parliament. It is the last pillar of democracy. Tomorrow we will make a decision that will satisfy all of Ukraine."
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I don't know about the rest of you, but Putin's really making me nervous.

Yep, he kinda freaks me out. Sort of Stalin-ish in his persona, I think.

FOX was just showing thousands of people camped out in front of what I guess is the presidents office. Why don't we have the moxie to do stuff like that here? It's freakin' cold there and those people are out in droves, making a statement about what they believe in. We just sit here in our cushy chairs, I with my blankie, and watch it unfold. Power to the people.


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Yep, he kinda freaks me out. Sort of Stalin-ish in his persona, I think.
I don't know if he's as bad as Joe "I Murdered 20 Million" Stalin, but he sure as hell doesn't seem a big fan of democracy.

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FOX was just showing thousands of people camped out in front of what I guess is the presidents office. Why don't we have the moxie to do stuff like that here? It's freakin' cold there and those people are out in droves, making a statement about what they believe in. We just sit here in our cushy chairs, I with my blankie, and watch it unfold. Power to the people.
1. What are you doing watching FOX? Isn't that the evil channel?

2. We don't do things like that here because (brace for impact) our democracy isn't in any actual danger.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but Putin's really making me nervous.
Really Mike? Are ya nervous? Should Bush go invade Russia to make ya feel better?

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Ukraine's got nukes.

Not good.
OMG! OMG! OMG!!! No! Not nukes! Whatever will we do??? Panic! Everybody panic right now!!!

. . . good to see the good ol' American fear machine can work even without prompting from the government.


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What does any of this have to d0o with Bush or invading Russia? The world doesn't revolve around the U.S..................
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