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DonkeyPunch

Hey, everyone! Over there, its a new poll! Let's over-react!!!



You would have thought we'd all have learned our lesson with polls around election time, when the exit polls show the impending Kerry victory. If you look at the press release of the poll, I find it a lot less surprising. Look at the breakdown by statement:
Here's the full release.

44% of Americans Favor Curtailing Some Muslim Liberties

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MickityMike

Punchity-punch-punch punchity-punch, look at Donkey go-whoa!

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CheebaMonkey

I don't get your point because it doesn't have anything to do with the poll they did. So some other country doesn't like us. Great. Fantastic. Superb. It doesn't change any of the data from the poll, it doesn't affect it in the slightest bit. This thread isn't about that country, it's about the US.

Yes, I agree that freedom's aren't absolute, but this doesn't mean we should go and discriminate against Muslims in our country (and I know that you don't support that, not saying you do). Equality for everybody doesn't seem like an absolute extreme to me.

I'm guessing they picked Christians picked because it's such a popular organized religion in the US, probably the most popular. In the poll, the Christian/Agnostic/Atheist groups made up 87% of the sample. That's a pretty large majority, pratically overwhelming. The other religions just aren't as popular as Christianity in the states.

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CheebaMonkey

Yes, DP, the majority of people didn't support limiting liberties of Muslim-Americans. That was established in the first article.

I still think, however, that 44% of those people are assholes, because they support some form of discrimination towards them.

MickityMike

The point is the perspective, my friend, or the lack thereof. Now a question: Are we actively discriminating against Muslims in the US? No? Ok, then might it not be unreasonable to question this poll as unduly alarmist in nature?

Because Christian/Agnostic/Atheist groups constituted 87% of the sample, and yet religion apparently was a relevant factor in at least some aspects of the poll, how can one make any rational judgements based upon the polling data when it's clear that the polling data is incomplete at best?

Such a methodology seems to me to almost guarantee a somewhat large margin of error, certainly much larger than the 3.6% that's claimed.

 

MickityMike

Ok, even though I question the "44%" figure, I agree. And that was pretty funny for some reason.

"44% of you guys are total dicks!"

CheebaMonkey

I can see the perspective Mike, it's just that it doesn't have anything to do with this poll. I already said that I condemned those polls, what more do you want? I started this thread because I find it sad that in a country which is all about freedom, a large percentage of people favor discrimination.

And yes, I don't think it's going to happen either. I don't rely on polls in determining law. Just look at the medical marijuana polls, and how the federal government still won't support it.

You can make judgements with the poll because the existing data shows a trend that the more religious, the more likely they favor discrimination. It would have been better if they stated 'Christians' rather than 'highly religious' and 'Agnostic/Atheist' than 'less religious' in the article, but they didn't for whatever reason. If they did this, we wouldn't be having this argument.

CheebaMonkey

They came up with the 44% figure by adding up all the unique people who supported at least one of the statements. Not all supported all four statements, but 44% favor some form of discrimination.

MickityMike

It doesn’t have anything to do with this poll, I agree, but it certainly does when people see a poll like this and a discussion then begins and quickly turns to knee-jerk associations with Fascism - as I’ve witnessed happen already in this thread. (It seemed as if we were kinda talking past each other, and just so ya know, that’s the point I was making with the perspective line of argument.) Perspective obviously has little to do with the actual poll results, true, but it has a lot to do with the assumptions people take away from the poll results.

That’s what I’m talkin’ ‘bout.

That just seems slightly skewed or even dishonest, and that’s a good example of why this poll – or at least the news articles about this poll - just doesn’t seem too very credible to me. So the trend line then becomes questionable.

. . .Or maybe I’m just kinda high and rambling on?

HappyMan

Some of what people support isn't discrimination. Monitoring mosques and infiltrating orginizations do not violate civil liberties. Neither action interfears with the rights of Muslims to practice their religon. So the statement that X% of American's support restricting Muslim's civil liberties is an conclusion onto itself that requires a legnthy and involved defense. The people who took this poll do not argue this point at all. This reaks of academic fraud.

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