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Old 01-18-2005, 10:44 PM   #11
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Yeah, I'd be more in favor of a "Everyone steal from a corporation" day. Or "Everyone abuse a government service day" (call those firement up to rescue those cats!)

Not buying stuff is too passive. We need to let people know we're actively tired of being misled.

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Old 01-18-2005, 10:50 PM   #12
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Where did you get this information? You think more Americans are employed by small business than by corporations or the government? I find that hard to believe. Show me the data.

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Most small businesses are coportations.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:56 PM   #13
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Most small businesses are coportations.
Do I get a link one of these times, or just the Yoda treatment? I want to see who employs the majority of Americans, master Yoda. What have you got?

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Old 01-18-2005, 11:22 PM   #14
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I consider it common Knowledge, no citation is needed. Unless you can find a source that states otherwise.
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Old 01-18-2005, 11:36 PM   #15
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I would love to get a little more involved in these political threads but I feel as though I will get torn apart since I believe I am the only conservative on this site . Now I don't agree with everything the right says and does such as the war on drugs, which we will never win, but it was the better fit for me. Maybe I will try sometime soon but for now I'll sit in the dark and let you guys and gals duke it out.
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Old 01-18-2005, 11:38 PM   #16
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alright, I will be nice. Here

I know it is a little dated....but it is recent enough.
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I would love to get a little more involved in these political threads but I feel as though I will get torn apart since I believe I am the only conservative on this site . . . . Maybe I will try sometime soon but for now I'll sit in the dark and let you guys and gals duke it out.
Just ease yourself into it. We have been at this for years!
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How important are small businesses to the U.S. economy?

Small firms

Represent more than 99.7 percent of all employers.
Employ more than half of all private sector employees
Pay 44.5 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
Generate 60 to 80 percent of net new jobs annually.
Create more than 50 percent of nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).
Supplied 22.8 percent of the total value of federal prime contracts (about $50 billion) in FY 2001.
Produce 13 to 14 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms. These patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.
Are employers of 39 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer workers ) .
Are 53 percent home-based and 3 percent franchises.
Made up 97 percent of all identified exporters and produced 29 percent of the known export value in FY 2001.

Sources: U.S. Bureau of the Census; Advocacy-funded research by Joel Popkin and Company (Research Summary #211); Federal Procurement Data System; Advocacy-funded research by CHI Research, Inc. (Research Summary #225); Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current Population Survey; U.S. Department of Commerce, International Trade Administration.
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Old 01-19-2005, 12:25 AM   #19
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Here is a great explaination by a totally apolitical website.......the venerable snopes.com:


Some protests are functional; they involve people taking direct action to achieve the desired result, such as chaining oneself to a tree to prevent its being cut down. Other protests are symbolic; they seek to inform the public or call attention to an issue through activities such as holding marches or making speeches. Sometimes protests are a combination of the two: chaining oneself to a tree is a functional but necessarily short-term solution, yet such an event is usually covered by the media and thus helps to publicize the cause of conservation.

So which form of protest is this supposed to be? Its ostensible purpose is a symbolic one — to "remind the people in power that the war in Iraq is immoral and illegal" — which leaves us wondering how this form of protest is supposed to help effect any change in circumstances The merits and conduct of the U.S. war with Iraq have been endlessly debated, in every medium, since the U.S. invasion of Iraq nearly two years ago. The war in Iraq was the primary issue in a long, contentious, headline-dominating presidential campaign that ended just a few months ago. The war is still one of the lead stories in the news nearly every day. Many different polling organizations and major news outlets regularly survey public opinion on the issue. If the result desired by those who would engage in this protest hasn't yet been achieved, it's not because the issue hasn't received enough publicity or those "in power" are insufficiently aware of it.

All that aside, the suggested scheme is one of the least effective forms of symbolic protest one could devise: it literally proposes that people do nothing, and doing nothing generates little, if any, publicity or news coverage. Massing thousands of people in one place and engaging speakers to make rousing public speeches provide vivid, well-defined images for the news media to pick up on, but pictures of people not spending money just don't make compelling fodder for newspapers and television. (Images of normally bustling malls, restaurants, and airports standing eerily devoid of human traffic might make for a good news story, but public opinion on this issue is far too divided for this protest to be able to bring all business to a grinding halt.) Even worse, when you call upon people to do nothing, how is anyone supposed to gauge the success of your efforts? There's no way to distinguish those who are doing nothing out of principle from those who are simply doing nothing out of habit.

As a functional protest, this one is equally off the mark. Although a boycott can be an active form of protest (even though boycott participants are in effect doing nothing, they're following a course of action that directly affects the object of their protest), boycotts succeed by causing economic harm to their targets, thereby putting them out of business or at least requiring them to change their policies in order to remain in business. But the target of this boycott isn't an entity that has the power to bring about the desired resolution (i.e., the government) — those who will be economically harmed by it are innocent business operators and their employees. These people have no power to set U.S. foreign policy or recall troops from Iraq, but they're the ones who would have to pay the price for this form of protest, incurring all their usual overhead costs (e.g., lighting, heat, refrigeration) to keep their businesses open and paying employees' salaries, all the while taking in little or no income. (And no, it doesn't all even out in the end — restaurants, for example, aren't going to recoup their lost business through boycott participants' eating twice as much the next day.)

Whether the desired goal is laudable or not, a protest that has little chance of succeeding at its purpose but a high likelihood of harming innocent parties does no one any good. As we always say about these kinds of things, results are generally proportional to effort: If the most effort one is willing to put into a cause is to do nothing, then one should expect to accomplish nothing in return.


I agree, it's a ridiculous idea. It can only hurt small businesses.

oAnd I think this is just another scheme of wannabe protesters who have taken up the practice of "slacktivism"...........
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Old 01-19-2005, 01:14 AM   #20
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Wow.

Well, what do you know. Small businesses do make up for over half of private sector employment. I guessed wrong on that one.

I'm going to have to skip this protest too. Small businesses have enough trouble without me adding to their woes.

I'm still up for a "steal from Walmart" day if people want to organize.



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