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Hiz Highness

I don't really know. The fact that you blame democrats yet again doesn't surprise me though. I'm actually looking at changes I'd like to see instead of sitting on my ass and b*tching about Clinton and democrats in every thread and assigning all of the worlds ills to their existence.

I don't need to pretend that NS, it is a REALITY

YES IT IS. Why would you knowingly tell a lie about such a thing?

So you're contending that everyone convicted of a marijuana felony has their voting rights restored? You must be, because if that is not what you're contendting then my statement was accurate and you're in here spreading misinformation.

Perhaps they lack respect for the system because it is an unjust system. Perhaps they refuse to obey the unjust laws because they don't feel obligated to follow wrong-headed legislation just because the government tells them to do so. Every pot smoker in here realizes that throwing people into jail because they choose to use marijuana to intoxicate themselves instead of alcohol is stupid. They're aware that the govern,ment has made it a crime, but they don't give a f*** because they can see the law is unjust.

My opinionis we would all be better off if such people were influencing the government. Let's not forget the revolutionary war. It wasn't started by the law-abiding people. It was started by the people who could see the BS that the government was trying to force on them.

The paper receipt is a copy of HOW the person voted, is it not? The information offered at the start of the thread is pretty scarce, but I'm under the impression that the receipt keeps a record of how a vote was cast, not who cast it.

-HH

 

Niteshift

I don't really know. The fact that you blame democrats yet again doesn't surprise me though. I'm actually looking at changes I'd like to see instead of sitting on my ass and b*tching about Clinton and democrats in every thread and assigning all of the worlds ills to their existence.

Get over yourself.

Florida was using paper ballots. The Democrats pulled their "hanging chad" act in 2000, all in counties with Democrat Supervisors of Elections, and that led to the electronic voting we just used, the one without a paper trail.

This isn't about blaming Democrats for everything. The FACT is that we had paper ballots until Democrats pushed for electronic voting. Now the Dems are the ones pushing for a paper trail...............that we already had before their nagging.

So STOP AVOIDING FACTS and trying to act like it's just bias against Democrats. This is simple connect the dots stuff here.

I don't need to pretend that NS, it is a REALITY

BULLSH*T!

YES IT IS. Why would you knowingly tell a lie about such a thing?

There is no lie there on MY part.

So you're contending that everyone convicted of a marijuana felony has their voting rights restored? You must be, because if that is not what you're contendting then my statement was accurate and you're in here spreading misinformation.

Oh, wait a second sport.........now you are changing your claim. First is was POSSESSION, now it is ANY mj felony.

And no, not EVERY one of them does. Some are denied because they had OTHER CRIMES TOO. But MOST do have their right restored if they want it.


Perhaps they lack respect for the system because it is an unjust system. Perhaps they refuse to obey the unjust laws because they don't feel obligated to follow wrong-headed legislation just because the government tells them to do so. Every pot smoker in here realizes that throwing people into jail because they choose to use marijuana to intoxicate themselves instead of alcohol is stupid. They're aware that the govern,ment has made it a crime, but they don't give a f*** because they can see the law is unjust.

I don't care if they like the law or agree with the law. The system has mechanisms for changing it. They need to avail themselves of those remedies. Until they do so successfully, then they are committing crimes and face the consequences.

The paper receipt is a copy of HOW the person voted, is it not? The information offered at the start of the thread is pretty scarce, but I'm under the impression that the receipt keeps a record of how a vote was cast, not who cast it.

No, a reciept shows that a person voted.

And what good is "proof" that candidate X got 100 votes if we can't show they were cast by elegible voters who only voted once?

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How many people here have received a voting receipt? If you haven't, the perhaps you don't really know what is printed on a voting receipt.

California is the first state to require paper receipts and it does indeed state who you voted for. The receipt is to verify that the machine actually records your vote properly. The voter will not be able to keep the receipt that shows his or her vote, but takes home a copy with the candidates names blacked out. The section with the candidates who received the vote is shredded before the voter leaves the polling place.

I disagree with All Ex-Felons losing their right to vote. I also disagree with people convicted of small time drug offenses, incarcerated under irrational mandatory sentencing laws losing their right to vote.

There are people in prison who made mistakes and who may actually become better people, better decision makers as a result of their incarceration. (This I know can happen, seen it, witnessed it, I know its quite possible.)

WashingtonPost.com:
The 14th Amendment permits states to deny the vote "for participation in rebellion, or other crime." And it can be argued that prisoners should not vote; after all, the purpose of prison is to deny freedom. But with ex-cons, the argument shifts.

Last year Alabama Republican Party Chairman Marty Connors stated a bald truth: "As frank as I can be," he said, "we're opposed to [restoring voting rights] because felons don't tend to vote Republican." He is right: People with low incomes, low education or minority status -- all benchmarks of convict populations -- vote Democratic 65 to 90 percent of the time.

To condemn millions to eternal political silence is to stab our democracy in the heart, and to provide cause for bitterness and alienation. Felons may face many other disabilities: They cannot sit on juries, serve as teachers, firefighters or -- often -- even barbers or plumbers. They cannot receive food stamps or live in public housing. Add to all this the knowledge that whatever they do, no matter how much they have changed, their voices will never be heard in the public arena.

Voting is not a privilege; it is the basic right that defines a citizen. Those denied it are, in effect, stateless -- people without a country. This is not a partisan issue, but one of basic human rights. People who have paid their debt to society should have their rights restored.


peace

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Niteshift

This is from the FL Clemency Boards webpage:

1. After my release from prison or probation, how can my civil rights be restored?
At the completion of your sentence, the Department of Corrections will automatically submit your name to the Parole Commission for eligibility review for restoration of civil rights without a hearing. If determined eligible, your name will go to the Clemency Board for a 30-day review, and if no objection from three or more Board Members is received, your rights will be restored. If you are determined ineligible by the Commission, or receive objections from the Board, you will be notified and provided an application to return for processing for restoration of civil rights with a hearing. The application form is also available on this web site.

Read this document and you can see that pretty much anyone will get clemency, as long as they have stayed out of trouble since their release from judicial control for the specified period of time:

https://fpc.state.fl.us/Policies/Exe...EC12092004.pdf

So if a drug offender does his time and keeps his nose clean, he can get his right to vote restored.

When it is NOT restored is because they F up again.

Hiz Highness

Oh . . . so there are people with felony mj posession records who do not have their rights to vote restored. Amazing. That's what I said and you were denying. I guess I was right again . . . which should surprise nobody.

That's your opinion. Many of us aren't inhabiting this same fantasy world where the government listens to the voices of the people instead of their corporate sponsors. MAny of us will choose to ignore the unjust laws and live freely because we choose to do so, regardless of the will of the corporate-bought tyrants. It doesn't matter how many of us you throw in jail, some human beings are going to live as they choose regardless.

Pretending that all felons are violent criminals and therefore it's ok to strip them all of their vote is a bad idea. One of many bad ideas embraced by the government.

If that's what's being discussed then I don't really see the point. We already check people's voter ID's when they show up at the polling station and record that they've voted.

-HH

 

Hiz Highness

What benevolent dictators we have in Florida. If a man asserts his own freedom (and intelligence) by choosing the less harmful of two intoxicants he might get his voting rights restored if the Parole Comission Board sees fit to restore them.

He'll just lose them if he makes the same wise decision twice.

Thomas Jefferson wouldn't have stood for this bullsh*t. Nor would George Washington, nor would countless other people supposedly celebrated by the clowns that are opressing us now.

-HH

Niteshift

How many people here have received a voting receipt? If you haven't, the perhaps you don't really know what is printed on a voting receipt.

California is the first state to require paper receipts and it does indeed state who you voted for. The receipt is to verify that the machine actually records your vote properly. The voter will not be able to keep the receipt that shows his or her vote, but takes home a copy with the candidates names blacked out. The section with the candidates who received the vote is shredded before the voter leaves the polling place.

The only receipt we ever got showed which ballot we got.

And what will that complicated system you described do? It still doesn;t let a person look down and see "I voted for this guy".

I disagree with All Ex-Felons losing their right to vote. I also disagree with people convicted of small time drug offenses, incarcerated under irrational mandatory sentencing laws losing their right to vote.

There are people in prison who made mistakes and who may actually become better people, better decision makers as a result of their incarceration. (This I know can happen, seen it, witnessed it, I know its quite possible.)

That is why the President and 50 Governors can restore peoples rights. You act as if it is not possible, when it is done regularly for thousands.

Last year Alabama Republican Party Chairman Marty Connors stated a bald truth: "As frank as I can be," he said, "we're opposed to [restoring voting rights] because felons don't tend to vote Republican."

So? That is his OPINION. He's entitled to it, but it's hardly a declaration of party position.

To condemn millions to eternal political silence is to stab our democracy in the heart

Cry me a river..............and continue ignoring the TRUTH, that thousands have their rights restored every year by ther President and 50 governors.

People who have paid their debt to society should have their rights restored.

Who said they've paid it?


Oh . . . so there are people with felony mj posession records who do not have their rights to vote restored. Amazing. That's what I said and you were denying. I guess I was right again . . . which should surprise nobody.

you're not right, you're deluded.

There are those who can't stay out of trouble, so they never make the waiting period. But those who DO stay out of trouble get their rights restored.

WTF is so hard to understand about this concept: Make your "mistake", suffer the consequences, stay out of trouble, get your rights back. But keep getting into trouble and you don't.

Pretending that all felons are violent criminals and therefore it's ok to strip them all of their vote is a bad idea.

Who is pretending they are violent criminals?

If that's what's being discussed then I don't really see the point. We already check people's voter ID's when they show up at the polling station and record that they've voted.

then why not find out the specifics before endorsing it? Or was it endorsed solely because of who was backing it?

If a man asserts his own freedom (and intelligence) by choosing the less harmful of two intoxicants he might get his voting rights restored if the Parole Comission Board sees fit to restore them.

Not if they see fit.............if they follow the written criteria. The rules everyone can see and that don't change case by case. And again, you can't seperate pot from the bigger issue of FELONS. This isn't only about pot smokers pal.

Thomas Jefferson wouldn't have stood for this bullsh*t. Nor would George Washington, nor would countless other people supposedly celebrated by the clowns that are opressing us now.

Really? Thanks for that GUESS.

Hiz Highness

Again with the misinformation and misrepresentation. It is not a fact that those who stay out of trouble DO get their rights restored, they MAY get their rights restored.

Let's not forget that once a marijuana possessor has marijuana in his possession again he's a repeat offender. You may support the fact that these people lose their say in the workings of the government but I doubt you'll find much support for that position here.

Didn't SS just inform you that you were wrong about the receipts? Yes, I believe she did.

That's the difference between a human being and a computer program. Human beings can use their own judgement and discretion where computer programs are enslaved to exist strictly within the confines of what is written. Which one are you?

What's the URL of this forum, PAL?

-HH

Niteshift

Again with the misinformation and misrepresentation. It is not a fact that those who stay out of trouble DO get their rights restored, they MAY get their rights restored.

Let's not forget that once a marijuana possessor has marijuana in his possession again he's a repeat offender. You may support the fact that these people lose their say in the workings of the government but I doubt you'll find much support for that position here.

No misinformation at all. Just lack of understanding on your part.

Hundreds of people who have done nothing wrong other than a drug offense have their rights restored in FL every year. The ones who don't get them restored are people who can't stay out of trouble.

And repeat offender has nothing to do with it..........it's about going the specified length of time without getting into trouble.

Obviously, you didn't read the link very well.

Didn't SS just inform you that you were wrong about the receipts? Yes, I believe she did.

No. She told us what happens in her state. Where do you see that this is the system Teddy et al are advocating?

What's the URL of this forum, PAL?

Limit your argument ONLY to pot felons then PAL. Since you haven't, you need to look at the bigger F-ing picture instead of applying your pot scenario to all felons.

Hiz Highness

There clearly was misinformation being spread on your part. Want to see it again?

There it is. NS telling everyone that the felons who "DO stay out of trouble" get their rights restored. There's not a single person on earth with only one felony on his record who can't vote according to NS.

Don't buy into the misinformation. It's not true.

Hey professor, on the MARIJUANA.COM FORUMS there's no reason people should have to repeatedly state "I'm talking about marijuana issues here".

Stripping felons of their right to vote effects people who grow marijuana, people who sell marijuana, and people who use marijuana. Restoring the right of these people to vote whether they continue to grow, sell, or use strikes me as a good idea.

I'm not afraid of the "other" felons having their rights to vote restored either. They aren't going to make a huge, felonious, voting bloc that will take over the American judicial system and legalize murder and rape.

-HH