Hiz Highness

Just noticing a trend here:

1/27/05: CNN News executive Eason Jordan allegedly comments that journalists are deliberately targeted by US military forces in Iraq.

2/11/05: Eason resigns over the alleged remark. HERE

5/4/05: Italian journalist G. Sgrena's vehicle is fired upon as it moves to Bahgdad airport. One Italian intel agent is killed.

Source

Freak coincidence? Government conspiracy to intimidate and/or anihilate journalists? Diabolical left wing plot to propogate a harmful lie against the efforts of the US in Iraq?

It's certainly strange whatever the explaination.

-HH

hauptmann

I dont think this is true. I can't see us targeting journalists that we are trying to get back from terrorists. What reasons would we have for shooting innocent people that are here with out allies? It just doesnt make that much sense to me. We have enough enemies without having to target journalists. If this was true Rivera would have been dead long ago....

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Duh, they're left wing of course!

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Niteshift

One guy makes a comment, then a month later a single Italian journalist is in a car that gets shot at and you actually come up with a conspiracy theory?

That's even a stretch for you HH.


And let's not forget that the car Sgrena was in hadn't gotten clearence and went through a checkpoint at a high rate of speed. That's not an uncommon thing for terrorists in Iraq to do.

Hell, I personally watched US soldiers shoot up vehicles attempting to avoid roadblocks in Panama and Hondorus. (Damn does a .50 tear up a Toyota ). It's not like their reaction is unusual or solely a result of recent events.

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Hiz Highness

I came up with no theory. For the record it's not just one italian jounalist:

Thirty-one dead newspeople. Don't try to minimize facts. You're the guy who so deeply values life right? Why don't you try valuing the lives of those thirty one dead people instead of writing off another death like it's of no significance.

That has not been firmly established. There's an ongoing investigation. I don't know if FOX News bothered telling you that or not, so I'll tell you: the investigation is ongoing.

Scott McClellan spoke on the matter today and he didn't claim the car ran through any checkpoints. Maybe you know something he doesn't.

I've posted the source. There are no claims anywhere in his statement that the car ran through any checkpoints.

I don't personally believe that we are targetting journalists. However look at this:

. . . hmmmm. Now there's an idea. Maybe journalists aren't being specifically targetted. Maybe the troops are killing so indiscriminately that it just seems to the press corps that they're being targetted. I guess we'll have to see what the investigation concludes.

-HH

Murdock

As I understand it, the vehicle the Italian journalist was in was speeding toward a US Checkpoint.. Officers tried to get the car to slow down, even firing warning shots, and it continued to speed toward the checkpoint. That is normal proticol and procedure.. It's tragic, but I cannot find fault with the U.S. actions in this case.

The Jordan story I know nothing of.

Hiz Highness

If that's what the investigation concludes, then we'll agree. If you speed through a US military checkpoint in Iraq you should expect to get shot.

However . . . you would think that the Italian's would be aware of this, wouldn't you? Is it likely that the Italian intelligence personnel don't realize that speeding through a US checkpoint in Iraq is a good way to get killed?

Assuming that they know that they're likely to be shot for speeding through a checkpoint we have to ask ourselves two things:

1) Did they know they were going through a checkpoint? If they were given all the warning you say they were it would seem likely that they were aware of it.

2) Why would they drive through an armed checkpoint if they knew they would be shot?

It would be nice to have some answers. The idea that the Italians were both aware of the checkpoint and dliberately chose to risk their lives driving through it makes no sense to me.

-HH

Niteshift

I came up with no theory. For the record it's not just one italian jounalist:

You only specified the one.

Thirty-one dead newspeople. Don't try to minimize facts. You're the guy who so deeply values life right? Why don't you try valuing the lives of those thirty one dead people instead of writing off another death like it's of no significance.

You were talking about a specific journalist. Now you act like I was supposed to know you were referring to all of them. Try being specific next time so you can save your pseudo-sanctimony for someone who needs it.

That has not been firmly established. There's an ongoing investigation. I don't know if FOX News bothered telling you that or not, so I'll tell you: the investigation is ongoing.

Enough with your smug BS. I'm getting sick of you telling me that everything I say was told to me by Fox News or Rush Limbaugh. Your statement is particularly ridiculous since I haven't watched a Fox News broadcast in months.

So grow up, ok.

Scott McClellan spoke on the matter today and he didn't claim the car ran through any checkpoints. Maybe you know something he doesn't.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Or maybe he just isn't ready to announce it publicly yet.

The idea that the Italians were both aware of the checkpoint and dliberately chose to risk their lives driving through it makes no sense to me.

Have you ever been involved in a critical incident? If you have, then I'm sure you know that sometimes in the post incident time frame, we sometimes overlook things we normally wouldn't or totally forget things we'd normally be very conscious of. I've seen guys actually forget their home phone number or get into the wrong car after one.

If you haven't been in one, now maybe you'll think about these things and consider that things that seem illogical are quite possible.