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what happened last tuesday was horibble. but going to war will not solve anything. if we go to war, we will be fueling the fire that has been burning between us and various groups and countries. the world will not like america any better if it answers a very violent act with another.

 

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Niteshift

In case you haven't been paying close attention, damn near every country of any size on the planet has said they'd back us up. NATO is fully behind us (including militarily) and the only people saying not to is Afghanistan.

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HappyMan

What should we wait for? An nuclear or bio attack? Both are very plausable and might kill millions. The people who did this have proven that they are a threat to you, me, nightshift and every other person. The terrorist have proven that they have no regard for life and might do everything within their means to kill us. If they have or get a nuke, they will use it. If they get anthax they will use it. We have to kill them now before they develop more potent weapons and to show similar groups that they actions must be limited in scale.*



*Happyman believes limited terrorism is a legimate form of warfare.

magicmoe

yea right just like in Vietnam
Who do you want to kill?
Its impossible to kill all terrorists.
The Russians tried this for 10 years but never got control of them.
As long as their is poverty and such you will not get control of terrorism. Kill more people and even terrorists will appear.

"NATO is fully behind us (including militarily) and the only people saying not to is Afghanistan."

Its not 100% true that the NATOis standing fully behind America, there are disagreements and its just the fact that they have to help the USA because of the NATO agreement. Not that they wouldnt but its not fully.
I agree that somebody has to be punished for this, but dont exagerate and destroy a whole country which is allready bombed into peices.
Most people miss the fact that those terrorists are people like you and me. Half a year ago a Palestinian (sp) busdriver drove into a crowd of Israelis and killed him and those people. He was a busdriver!
You would have to kill a whole nation.
Its just like in Vietnam
The could win this war and they wount win this one neither.

A War would lead to more hate among the Arabs, this means more terrorists!

 

magicmoe

As Bailey allready quoted:

Hatred can be overcome only by love. Counter-hatred only
increases the surface as well as the depth of hatred.
- Gandhi

Niteshift

"Its impossible to kill all terrorists."

True. Then again, all terrorists weren't responsible for the WTC. For example, the Red Brigade wasn't, so this doesn't really concern them.

"The Russians tried this for 10 years but never got control of them."

What history book are you reading? That Soviet invasion of Afghanistan had nothing to do with terrorism. And, since ALL Afghans aren't terrorists, your statement doesn't really work.

"As long as their is poverty and such you will not get control of terrorism."

What does poverty have do do with it? Ever been in the Appalachian mountains? Americans so poor they can't afford shoes when they wear out, but they don't bomb innocent civilians.

These knuckleheads aren't about poverty, they're about the hatred of Jews and Israel. And they're pissed at us for supporting Israel. Poverty doesn't have jack to do with this.

"Its not 100% true that the NATOis standing fully behind America, there are disagreements and its just the fact that they have to help the USA because of the NATO agreement. "

Right

If they send young men to fight and die, they can't be much more behind us than that.

"I agree that somebody has to be punished for this, but dont exagerate and destroy a whole country which is allready bombed into peices."

Please point out who in this thread advocated destroying an entire country. Thanks.

"Most people miss the fact that those terrorists are people like you and me. "

I can't speak for you, but they're nothing like me. I don't kill innocent people because they're friends with someone else I don't like. I don't advocate genocide and I don't commit heinous crimes.

You might be able to say the LOOK like you or me, but they are not like me, nor I them.

"A War would lead to more hate among the Arabs, this means more terrorists!"

I guess you should e-mail all those Arab nations that are publicly supporting us and clue them in.

This isn't about Arabs, it's about criminals.

magicmoe

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magicmoe

So whats your point?
Im just saying war is not the solution



"If they send young men to fight and die, they can't be much more behind us than that. "

Thats not sure, I do follow the german news and thats not decided yet

"What does poverty have do do with it"
people who live in s hit will find somebody to blame for,

"Please point out who in this thread advocated destroying an entire country. Thanks. "

I never said somebody here said that, just many people think like that and I wanted to say my oppinion.

"You might be able to say the LOOK like you or me, but they are not like me, nor I them. "

Sorry but they are! many people would react like them if they lose friends, family mebers and/or their home. Maybe you wouldnt. Maybe I wouldnt (dont know) but many would. Nobody is born as a terrorist. Thats all i mean



"This isn't about Arabs, it's about criminals"

The point is that they will get criminal if we bomb their homes.



Im saying no WAR!
whats wrong with that?
I was more or less answering to Happyman who said War will solve "anything"

Niteshift, whats your point?

Niteshift

"Thats not sure, I do follow the german news and thats not decided yet "

If we ask for NATO assistance, they will do it.

"people who live in s hit will find somebody to blame for, "

Apparently, you didn't listen. They're not in this for the money. Hell, Bin Laden is worth $250 million.........what is he in it for? Obviously not because of poverty.

If this was about poverty, why don't you hear anyone asking for money? They didn't hijack the plane to fget hostages for money, they hijacked it to kill Americans.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you, it should be as plain as the nose on your face.

"I never said somebody here said that, just many people think like that and I wanted to say my oppinion."

Then you should say that not "but dont exagerate and destroy a whole country which is allready bombed into peices." Unless you tell us you're addressing the world, one usually presumes you're talking to the people in the thread.

"Sorry but they are!"

I gave you the courtesy of not speaking for you. It's a shame that you can't afford me the same.

"The point is that they will get criminal if we bomb their homes."

There is that presumption again that someone is advocating killing everyone in Afghanistan.

"I was more or less answering to Happyman who said War will solve "anything"

Funny how your answer to Happyman included a quote from me and a response to what I said.

"Niteshift, whats your point?"

You've got to be kidding? What's my point?

My point is that sitting in a circle and singing Kumbaya isn't gonna get it. We need to strike back and do it hard. That means terrorists either dead or in jail awaiting a needle in the arm and frankly, I'll vote for dead.

My point is that the world looks different through rose colored glasses and that it's easy to be a pacifist when bombs aren't falling on your head.

My point is, that if you want to kill American civilians for your political cause (it is about politics and religion, poverty doesn't have sh*t to do with it), you should be made to pay with your life.

Now moe, what is YOUR point? What do you propose we do?