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Old 10-08-2001, 03:39 PM   #1
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yeah you are thinking too much. you really think we are a turkey? we have the strongest military force on the planet, that whould account for something. less like a turkey and more an wary eyed eagle.
Alas our military is strung out across the world. We also have two very large, very unprotected borders.
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show mw a country who's power, trasportation and communication CAN'T be easily disruped, ill show you a country without any of these things in the first place. and the 3 out of 10 estimate pffft.. i know i got a gun, do you?
Several actually. I also have supplies and the knowledge to use them. How many our our citizens could live for very long without the local grocery? I am afraid it is less than we could wish. When I hear people say "I'm starving" I laugh, few in our country know true hunger. Few in our country would pull the trigger when faces with taking a human life. Or at least they will hesitate long enough that it won't matter.
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we have a very well armed general population. a "true" invasion on our soil would be beaten back so quickly it wouldn't make the front page. are you people unwilling to fight? I'm not, and no other true american should be either.
I agree, No other American SHOULD be, but unfortunately many are. How many cries of "those poor Afghans" went up as soon as the Towers fell? More than I want to remember. In a society that lives on fast food and cable TV, where our education system is laughed at around the world, and where we invite those who would harm us into our country because "they have rights" I can only hope there are enough of us who will take a stand and defend our home when the time comes.

Yes, the armed American citizen was a major factor in past considerations of hostile countries. But, we have nearly taken our citizens guns away completely. A good portion of the general population refuses to own, hold, or learn how to use a weapon. At the time of Pearl Harbor and during most of the cold war with the soviets our citizen spent more time in physical activity, and used the weapons in their homes to collect food. A lot of our citizens have never seen a live deer or rabbit and wouldn't know which end of the rifle to hold.

I am a very Proud American, but I am also a realist. I don't believe there is any one country that could pull off a full scale invasion, but I do think there are several possible collectives of three or more that would find it rather easy to stroll up the Mighty Mississippi and stake a claim.

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Old 10-09-2001, 02:20 AM   #2
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i'm not ready for a war... i hate all of this... i just want to smoke pot and go to school... i would never fight for this country, let alone any country... i don't feel "united" with the united states after this tragedy... i had a family member who died, not immediate family, but family... and that still doesn't make me angry at these people... the united states imposed leaders onto their country for years and they got their revenge... of course, now we want ours... i don't want revenge, i want justice... and those are two completely different ideas... justice requires a sense of reason... my sense of reason is still intact, is yours?
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Old 10-09-2001, 05:03 AM   #3
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"i would never fight for this country"
"my sense of reason is still intact, is yours?"


Mine is perfectly intact.

Let me give you another reason to think about............ the reason you get to enjoy the benefits of this country (and yes, there are more benefits than not) is because people like me are willing to defend your freedom, even if you won't defend it yourself.
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Old 10-09-2001, 02:01 PM   #4
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I would fight for this country, if the cause was right, as it is now.
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Old 10-09-2001, 03:47 PM   #5
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Even a tame, fat, retarded American (ie, my mom's cousins) will fight when cornered. I'd prefer hamburgers and hotdogs for dinner, but if a landwar began in the US, i'd be fine with the fire-seared flesh of my enemies. No hyperbole. I own a gun, I have friends and family members that own guns, i got camping gear and bottled water in my garage, anybody crazy enough to invade my neck of the woods will be dinner.
America didn't declare jihad on innocent people. I sure as heck don't agree with a boatload of U.S. policy, but if my family and countrymen are being slain, I'm behind this country 110%... for better or for worse.
Rusty_Cage, you're ready for justice not war, how do you see justice for the women in Afghanistan being beaten for the slightest signs of non-conformity, women with over 90% depression rate, and high suicide rates because of repression from fanatics? For funding and encouraging a 'holy-war' that aims death at civilians? Should we take the Taliban to court? Judge Judy? Oprah? Maybe show them compassion? Bin Laden said America won't find peace or security until Aghanis and palestinians find it as well, but he's full of it. He's stated his desire to see the violent Taliban regime take over the Middle East and the Free World (kiss smoking pot away then), to beat women and kill Christians and Jews and Atheists.
I say we kill Osama secretly, and deny him his martyrdom, let him be declared MIA...
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Old 10-09-2001, 10:09 PM   #6
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I would fight for my country in an instant. As soon as I turn 18 (6 months) you know dam* well that I am going to send in my draft card, and I am going if I get drafted. It would be irresponsible of me to do anything else.
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Old 10-12-2001, 03:56 AM   #7
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Cool Well I've said things,and done things....

That under different circumstances ,I might not have,but I say this with no reservations.I will do all that is within my power to protect my family.If there is to be a battle on American soil,and the enemy is clearly defined,I will fight till my last breath.I am a survivor,and with or without a GUN i will survive.Yes there are plenty of guns to go around here in the good ole'U.S.of A. but unfortunately if you admit to using marijuana,which is a question on the firearms transaction form,you will not be sold a GUN,and if you lie about it ,you're subject to a felony charge,so,IF YOU SMOKE POT.........LEARN TO THROW ROCKS.b.s.
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Old 10-12-2001, 05:52 PM   #8
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Ive come to view the USA, well its government anyhow as trying to control too much of the world, to benifit themselves and the plight of capitalism. In vietnam and i beleive in Korea it was to fight Communism. More recently they have been trying to control the Middle east mainly because of oil and such, bombing a country here and there if they dont keep in line. the US cant just go around doing these things and expect everyone to still like them.

Think of what life is like for alot of these people, then they look at the US all the money and the power, trying to change the world for there own interests.

This is in no way defending the actions of the bunch of loonies who will kill themselves and 1000s of innocent people in the name of god. Nothing can defend there actions and as George Dubya says, they must be brought to justice.
But as usuall the US has used bombs to solve a problem, which has in turn killed innocent people.
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"Think of what life is like for alot of these people, then they look at the US all the money and the power, trying to change the world for there own interests."

This has nothing to do with money or poverty. bin Laden himself is a rich man, some of that money from his father fulfilling US contracts. Did you catch the watch on his wrist during the tape of his speech?

It's about religion.........pure and simple. The US backs Israel and the only thing muslims seem to agree on hating jews. I said that here weeks ago, bin Laden said it in his speech last week, confirming what I said.

"But as usuall the US has used bombs to solve a problem, which has in turn killed innocent people."

And how many of those would that be?
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Man, bring in judge judy. She'll sort all this bullsh*t out. I mean it's hard to argue when you're not allowed to talk.

Bin Laden, what a superstar. He doesn't look like the crazed terroist that he is portrayed as.
My theory is, and i'm sure it's kinda obvious, is that his ideas that we view as 'radical', he sees as perfectly proper and sane.
It all stems from misunderstanding and the bullsh*t power and religion causes. Somewhat of a lethal cocktail.

I think that the democracy in the United States, compared to the state of government in other countries is quite liberal, but don't trick yourself into believing that it will stay this way. Democracy is slowly disapearing in the name of security.

But as we all know, everything is relative. So in relation to the afghan situation, democracy in the US is A OK.

I don't think this will be the next 'big war' that people are anticipating. If the US manage to neutralise the Taliban and members of the Bin Laden group then the first phase of the attack will be a success.
Even if the US are relishing in their superiority, this definitely does not make them immune from further attacks.

I laugh at the idea of the USA eliminating terroism. How the f*ck do they propose to do that? Through violence?
Even if they eliminate every known terroist group today, every single member of every group....
Years, hell even months later, they will see retaliation. And in response to this retaliation will beef up 'security', thus eliminating rights in the process.

On another note, i saw on the news channels that all of the news networks are no longer allowed to show footage of bin laden, at the request of the US government. Good to see we have freedom of 'speech', and get to see equal sides of the story.

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