Niteshift

I wasn't saying all Muslims were like that. A significant enough number are though, and that is the problem.

Do I have suggestions? 15 years ago, I did, but they've mostly been tried and failed, or I've learned that they wouldn't have worked anyway.

Now, my suggestion is to stand by the commitments we've made to Israel, no matter how difficult. Doing the right thing may not be the easiest way, but it is still the right thing.

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The Stoned Philosopher

I agree with protecting israel,but one of the reasons why the muslims are pissed at us is because we protect them TOO MUCH to the point they sometimes get away with UN violations and sometimes murder (like in lebanon).

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Niteshift

Since the UN has no governing authority, I could care less who violates whatever UN rules. Personally, I'd prefer to see the US out of the UN post haste.

Mamabudz

Wrong: Jihad is Holy War...all bets are off and it is total inhalation of the infedels. Allah's will is total and you are obligated to act even if it is repugnant and agaisnt your own personal belief not to kill. Any infidel, by definition, is not an innocent, therefore any non-believer is fair game ~ women, children, infants.

The US does not protect Israel, Israel protects Israel and has been very conservative and controlled in its attacks and retaliation. But the rules stand that if you kill one Israeli citizen Jewish or Arab, Israel will retaliate by a show of greater force against the antagonist. The US and the NATO countries will do the same. That is what is necessary to insure security of the country. It is that simple and it is specific to military and police headquarters, not civilians.

As for the United nations, I tend to agree with Niteshift, but without the background it would be near impossible to explain why we feel this way.

I am however quite interested in knowing to which UN violations do you refer and to which "murders" in Lebanon are you referring? Are they similar to the suicide attack in the Sbarro pizzeria last month killing Arabs, Israelis, and Tourists from Europe and the US? Perhaps we should discuss the two little boys who's sodomized and torn bodies were found in a cave after they were kidnapped when they played hooky from school a month or so ago? Or perhaps we should discuss the suicide bomber who strapped a hundred pounds of 1 penny nails to his chest and expoded himself while a bunch of kids waited for the school bus?

So what exactly are you referring to, and this time could you be as specific?

The Stoned Philosopher

Niether side in the israeli and palistinian conflict is innocent, both retaliate in some form or fashion.(and the incident in lebanon that happened in the 80s is just a example of the madeness thats happeing in the area done by both parties) Its a fine example that violence doesnt solve violence.
Now about your version of jihad, from my sources from the koran its suppost to be a form of defense,but it can also take on the form you presented. Also Christianity has almost the same thing, one of the reasons why the Crusades happened.
My humble opinion of christianity and islam is that they are both insane and neither of them are right.

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HappyMan

As an agnostic I agree, religion is bunk.

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AlphaWolf

I agree completely, and I question why Arafat and the Palastinians haven't been listed among the terorist nations.. Considering he supports openly the Hamas and Hizbullah networks.. and there are numerous terrorist attacks on Israel.. Perhaps we should allow Israel to completely take out the Palastinians.. They have demonstrated that they cannot and will not work with Israel.. And have no desire for peace.. *shrugs* I have no real answers..

SilentPete

A couple of my friends and I were are arguing about Amereca should do about the palestine-Isreal thing. Some of my friends were jewish and some of the others were muslim so the argument was get quite heated. It quickly escalated into shouting match, and I seriously believe it was about to become physical. Now in the middle of this my dad had come downstairs and was pouring himself a drink. He listened to what we were yelling for a minute or two than ventured an opinion. "They should do what they corn." We all stopped and looked at him. He than explained that they cross breed different types of corn to create better corn. In Israel the jews and the muslims should intermarry, and eventually they will become one people.

I think he made a good point...

"rock the casba! Rock the casba!"

Mamabudz

Actually the Palestinians and the Israelis finally have something to agree on ...

The PLO came out with a public statment that the they are in no way connected to, beholden to or support the Taliban regime and stand with Israel in solidarity against the Taliban

That may not seem to be much, but in the Middle East, the enmey of my eenemy is my ally...and may be the beginning of Peace.

As for inter-marriage, the silence following your father's suggestion was total disbelief... its like suggesting catz & dogz should breed so they don't chase each other. It is a very American response and has no bearing on the argument, sorry.

Niteshift

"I question why Arafat and the Palastinians haven't been listed among the terorist nations"

Now there is a good question. Palestine is a criminal nation, resulting from the fruits of criminal activity (terrorism). It exists today ONLY because of the terrorist activites of Arafat and other.

Personally, I see it's existence as part of the reason for 9/11. It was rewarded for being terrorists, not punished. And we treat Arafat like a statesman, not the criminal that he is.


"He than explained that they cross breed different types of corn to create better corn."

Corn wouldn't resist it and doesn't have 4,000 years of religious belief to reply on.

Besides, the idea has been tried before. Even in the US, despite the inter-mixing of races and ethnic groups, we have strong movements by whites, blacks, American Indians and other groups to seperate themselves from other races. In the UK, despite mixing, there are violent movements in N. Ireland to seperate from the UK and more peaceful movements in Scotland (which has been oppressed by England for centuries). Violent seperatists in Spain (Basques).......and so on.