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Rai TV English version: http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/in...llujah_ING.wmv

Hmm... 'drop some Whiskey Pete.. '?

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He said U.S. forces do not use any chemical weapons in Iraq.

White phosphorus is not a chemical weapons, so that quote didn't even need to be included...........unless the reporter is trying to put that idea into readers minds.


It confirmed, however, that U.S. forces had dropped MK 77 firebombs -- which a documentary on Italian state-run broadcaster RAI compared to napalm -- against military targets in Iraq in March and April 2003.

The MK 77 is a napalm bomb, not a WP bomb.

"I do know that white phosphorus was used," said Jeff Englehart in the RAI documentary, which identified him as a former soldier in the U.S. 1st Infantry Division in Iraq.

They couldn't find anyone in the Air Force who knew?

The use of incendiary weapons against civilians has been banned by the Geneva Convention since 1980.

Intentional use is banned. Is there any evidence that civilians were actually the target?

He said the chemical composition of the MK 77 firebomb is different from that of napalm.

Keefe needs to get his ordanance straight:

MK77 750lb Napalm
MK78 500lb Napalm
MK79 1000lb Napalm
A fire bomb is a thin skinned container of fuel gel designed for use against dug-in troops, supply installations, wooden structures, and land convoys. The MK 77 500-pound fire bomb is the only fire bomb now in service. Fire bombs rupture on impact and spread burning fuel gel on surrounding objects. MK 13 Mod 0 igniters are used to ignite the fuel gel mixture upon impact.

The MK-77 is a napalm canister munition. The MK77 familiy is an evolution of the incendiary bombs M-47 and M-74, used during the conflict in Korea and the war in Vietnam. Napalm is an incendiary mixture of benzene, gasoline and polystyrene. The Marine Corps dropped all of the approximately 500 MK-77s used in the Gulf War. They were delivered primarily by the AV-8 Harriers from relatively low altitudes. MK-77s were used to ignite the Iraqis oil-filled fire trenches, which were part of barriers constructed in southern Kuwait.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/mk77.htm


Hmm... 'drop some Whiskey Pete.. '?

I think you mean Willie Pete.

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So, Niteshift, are you saying that they didn't use WP?

Or are you saying that the article is insufficient to make you believe they did? Because that's my stance.

By the way, Niteshift, what does White Phosphorus do?

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Niteshift

WP is normally used in grenades or mortar shells. Once in a while in artillery rounds. But we do not use them as aerial incendiery bombs.

Have we used WP rounds at some point in Iraq? I'm certain of it. WP rounds are often used to create smoke to mask movements.

WP can also be used to destroy equipment. It reacts with oxygen and burns very hot, often able to burn through metal.

But that really isn't the point of the article. They try to make it sound like WP is a "chemical weapon" when it's not. Further, they say we TARGETED civilians with it, which is bullsh*t. Yes, some civilians MAY have been injured by WP at some point in Iraq, but they were certainly NOT the TARGET and the author provides nothing to prove they were.

BC.Buddy

Fair enough.

Yes, if they're not chemical weapons, they shouldn't be called that.

And yeah, I'm pretty positive (I hope) that civilians weren't targeted purposely.

solutions

I do like Whiskey more than Willies, so a Freudian slip seemed possible - but that was what Englehart said in the RAI film:

"Well, it comes across radio as a general transmission. When it happens like that, you hear it on the radio through -- we have speakers in our trucks -- speakers and then the transmission goes to the speakers, so it's audible. And as they'd say, “In five [inaudible], we're going drop some Whiskey Pete.” “Roger. Commence bombing.” I mean, it just comes across the radio, and like, when you hear “Whiskey Pete,” that's the military slang." - transcript

They may not have been targets but there sure were people in the wrong place in the wrong time. The images are pretty gruesome.

More: TV channel defends Iraq documentary.

With the US army shooting the car of freed hostage and Italian journalist Srengna-who was reporting this story- in mind it's really no big surprise Italian popular support for staying in Iraq is low.

Has there been any attention to the use of WP in US media?

BC.Buddy

Excellent question, Solutions. Can anyone answer it? I read from CNN a lot and I've never read anything about it.

Higher Logic

This was the first I heard about it. Damn that liberal media *shakes fist*

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The response from the American republic is "White phosphorus. a chemical weapon? No, no it is not, and how many time do we have to tell you, we do not bomb civilians."

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I noticed W. Arkin from the Washington Post has an article on it: http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earl..._the_hole.html

Could the trying_the_hole.html mean filling the gap in media attention to this subject?
Over he the subject received media attention one day and was concluded "if the US had signed this or that convention it would have been illegal, but they didn't, so it's not, case closed."