S2

Well the Republicans have forced the Dems to put their money where their mouths are-- lets see who wants to cut and run and let Zarkhawi have Iraq-- and put it on record. quick be heard- call your senator and congressman!

Murtha's call for a pull out was, after all the lead story on Al Jezeera today.

I just heard Charlie Rangel get asked how he is going to vote. His reply:
"I am going to vote for any approach other than the approach of fighting until we win"

Buzzby

The way I see it, we have a choice. We can leave now and Iraq will fall into an inevitable civil war. Or, we can leave in ten years and Iraq will fall into an inevitable civil war.

Trying to impose democratic government on Iraq is like trying to teach a horse to sing. They're just not equipped to learn what you're trying to teach. You can't go directly from a tribal society to a democratically governed civil society.


Al Queda is a pimple in Iraq. The real contenders are, as always, the Sunnis, the Shiites, the Kurds, and the various tribal groups within those larger aggregations. Al Queda is the boogeyman that the current regime in Washington uses to scare us into allowing it to continue to waste our men and our treasure on GWB's personal grudge fight.

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Also, it should be noted that the House isn't going to be voting on Murtha's resolution, but instead one submited by Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter.

S2

I think its a stunt along the lines of the recent closed door session

HappyMan

We need at least another year at the current force level followed by a three year draw down. Iraq needs more time to build a 'civil' structure.

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Niteshift

The vote was 403-3 against it.

The 3 were all Democrats: Cynthia McKinney D-GA (she'll be looking for a new job), Jose Serrano D-NY (the Bronx) and Robert Wexler D-FL.

At least those 3 stood up for themselves. 6 other Democrats simply replied "present" when their vote was called for.

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