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i think we all are born into the world and we must learn how best to exist in the sustem we were born in. And we are sooooo lucky to be here
I am fortunate enough to have lived and traveled widely in my life--Europe, Asia, South America and seen a lot of different circumstances--believe me, this is the freest, loosest country and system in the world(part of the problem)--the stuff we take for granted the rest of the world is panting for--don't take my word for this--go to the borders and tell me which way the people are running.
Yeeees I know we still have what we consider draconian drug laws but not in relation to otherwheres ( geez,in China, they'll EXECUTE you for dealing pot)
i'm sitting here now listening to the news about the Northern Alliance taking the major cities and i can only hand it to GWB--God knows he's not my soulmate: I'm a liberal Demo, voted for Gore--and I have to say Well done! This means these people won't have a war fought in their country over cruel winter and if GWB sends in enough food to feed those poor people for the winter, he's my candidate for Mt Rushmore. I don't know how you others felt but I think the taliban IS evil--especially what they do to women and children. Turning out that there weren't major civilian casualties. the people in Afghanistan are better off with out em--indisputably-- and they seem to realise it.
Well, thank the US Military too. That means a whole fuggin bunch of our good young people stood up and went out again to try and set things right. yeeeees I know us cynical old ones can sit here telling each other these kids don't really know whats really going on--that theyre reallly fighting for corporate growth-- but here's one old boomer thats jumping up and down and waving his hat and cheering em on. And FCK any body who aint!!--yr getting a free ride!! AGAIN!!-- oh well, roll another fatty.
I hafta point out my prejudice here-- I was a paratrooper in VN, in the lrrps--forerunner to the Rangers--those are my boys out there and I know who they are ( and that they smoke pot!) God bless these guys. and thanks for thinking Americas still worth it. Fight with what you have untl relieved!!
I want to point out how much GWB and the thrust of his govt has changed-- all of a sudden, he's getting real liberal, instead of confrontive: multilateral instead of unlilateral--remember the " energy crisis?" and if you don't see this as a good chance to advance the "liberal agenda" as I do--suddenly-EVERYTHINGS on the table again then you are not one of those American opportunists I mentioned above--but theres lots of Americans who are wide awake here, liberal and conservative, and if you don't see opportunity to move things along, well they sure do and will eat yr lunch while yr packing the bong.
I mean its good to see Moyers and Hearne and all are keeping an eye on the corporations for me but just dealing with what the world puts in front of me takes up my whole life. Doesnt' really matter which Giant American Corporations cornflakes I'm eating or which Giant International Corporation's car I'm driving . United fruit fcked over a ot of central Americans but I still eat bananas.

Whats real for me is that if you think that Ameicans ingeneral really give a fck what the corporations do, you are in error.

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crunk

sitting here watching th teevee, watching women pull off the birqa and men getting their beards shaved.(formerly illegal)Theres Music in the streets of kabul again
there'll be lots of trouble ahead but its good to see. Sometimes the good guys do win. Sometimes its just time to take up the gun and deal with the bad guys--thats what seperates the men from the boys


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(PS you bet the corporations'll profit from this--they always do)

KWhite

The first point that comes to mind.
We have a world population approaching tolerance levels.
Why would anyone be interested infeeding anyone else, excepting a vague altruistic sense of tight, without some form of profit?
If a Corporation donates a water works to a needy land, that is profit, it engenders good feelings, and should these people get on their feet, and become paying customers..all the better. If not, it is not even expensive as things go in the P.R. Game.

"Anyone who grows under electric lights" **parapharased and shortened** This of course brings the mind to the old anti-protest sarcasm statement. "Of course I know where my electricity comes from, out of the wall socket".
I have said it before, and will repeatit, as much as I would love a return to the SIMPLICITY of bygone days, it would kill most of us.
Our babies live longer today because corporations saw money in making better medficines and hospitals. Our people live longer because someone makes a profit from cleaner food.
We have better housing because better homes, more weeather reistant and longer lasting were cheaper to build when done right. The benefit was two fold.
Let me make this absolutely clear, it is romantic to dream of going back to the year 1800, those ways and those conditions.
Many many of the people you love would die regularly.
tragically.

Licving overhere, and perhaps a bit closer to home, look at Dutch weed.
Because of profit, it has become more powerful, better tasting, quality control is set up by the fiercest of regulators. Competition.
So I need to buy less, need to smoke less, and hae no worries that I am getting deadly weed.
And if you think those coffeeshops are not corporations. YOu delude yourselves.
This is not my rant, but seveal things are becoming clear to me, things that I see as I grow older.
I will never scarifice all of my liberty to anythingcorportate nor Government. **except my wife, she gets all of it and gladly**
I think the drug war a terrible mistake for rreasons I have stated recently in another place, and often all over this board.
But to wish for a return to fields that grew inly a 1/54 of todays yield.
Who decidesd who starves?
Now these corporate bastards are progressing.
Yes, they have raped our world of petroleum. But I filled my gas tank and ordered my heating oil gladly, every time. Now that those are vanishing, these same bastards are working to develop new sources, cleaner and better. They must be sellable to be sure, but inthe end the whole race benefits if they are successful.
Medicines, will you consign the babies of the third world to death, pray, even our own, becauise we no longer want a corppration to make aspirin rather than willow bark tea?
will you make those decisions?
I tell you. There are many lonely and forgotten places in the worldf.
Where laws do not reach.
Waaay back in Alaska, Canada....somewhere where the Pines are tall, the winds clean...
and the winters damned cold, and death if you break a leg...simple fracture..death.
Not to mention bad food, influenza, diphteria..on and on.
Go there then.
but do not consign us all to that.
As much as I dream of a world when we can have that simplicity.
I must believe we need the rest also.
Maybe we can develop into a balance. It is the hope, and make that balance touch the whole world so terrorists and totalitarians have little or no foothold in the minds of people.
Fight for your freedom, certainly.
But please take a more realistic view of the world, if we persist in dreaming of a time that cannot come again, we just might get it.
And the only profit will the Undertaker make.
Kelly
**This was not a rant**
Be well

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The Stoned Philosopher

Sure sounds like a rant I kind of disagree with you on some points. We this day and age can return to simplicity without setting the clock back a thousand years. And also even though we have made some advances, we also created new dangers as well.
Sometimes the greedy corperations would try to get away with anything in order to make a buck like gm food. The food isnt "healthier" than normal food, it can be down right dangerous because no one knows what it does to you completely yet. The only reasons major corperations push it because it saves them money when it comes to spraying their gm pesticide resistant crops. If we return to simple solutions and simple ways with the knowledge we currently have the world would benefit twofold.

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crunk

First let me say I'm not a huge fan of Corporations and think they need to be watched VERY closely--certainly history has shown what happens when Big Business is given total frrdom (re: economic history:1865--1920)
but there is so much hype and sophistry from all sides, its hard to tell whats real--I do not trust the alt.media any more than the mainstream media. i'm not particularly worried about what the corporations put in food for instance because facts and statistics show that the average lifespan of Americans has done nothing but INCREASE all thru the last century--from mid 40s to mid 70s (5 years more for women, where it useta be even) So our nutritiion ( and healthcare) has progressed leaps and bounds--despite the advent of McDonalds, et al and over all whatever they put in our food can't be THAT bad, as a matter of fact whatever they put in must be pretty dam good when you consider that. The average American does NOT eat organically grown veggies. we need to keep an eye on this tho, no error.
Economics can bring as much freedom or more than politics--this is the ground of being we all take for granted-that when we go to the store, all the shelves are filled to bursting, we get good wholesome food cheap--geez you can exist real well, just picking thru garbage cans-many do. Our high way of living makes it feasible for most evryone in this country to travel, to move, to better themselves (even if only to pick a better welfare state.) Our poorest live better than most of the rest of the world.
well, this only came about thru economic activity. You can go on a mountaintop and live in a yurt with no power in protest but whats the point? does that make you " better?" if you think so, than do so but my guess is you'll just crank up the AC and keep them clones a growin. I sure will--and thank God for making me an American

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KWhite

You are splitting hairs.
I at no time abdicated our responsibility to watch and censure these corporations. I merely deny the ability for 6 Billion and growing people to get along without them.
Its my oüpinion
*chuckles*
Now if you want to see a rant, get me started on something Libertarian.
If you can do it, if you can do it without going to the supermarjket, and without using modern pharmaceuticals, then more power to you.
I fail to see how.
Even the oil in your old fashioned lamp is bought, or you take worthwhile time away from your absolutely necessary food and herb gardening to press hempseed oils, and you chop wood.
Or you pay a small cortpoartion for whale blubber oil.
all 6 billion of us.
More power to ya.
I will continue to live with corporation, balancing the evil against the goods, witholding my dolar where I find it perhaps helpful.
Pray however, enlighten me?
Or are we just dreaming
I figure about the time all 5 billiopn of us that want a simpler life show up in Alaska...uits gonna get purty damned crowded.
We are going through this here. After the mad cow thing, the Government wants to go back to a more natural way of farming.
Great idea. just one problem.
Someon is gonna starve.
I will fight the battles that show a chance of winning.
Again, just my opinion.
And if y'all figure it out, please share.

The Stoned Philosopher

What i was saying is just be and enjoy life sheesh. If everyone did this instead of focusing on material objects and greed then we wouldnt need corperations or the like.

totboc

I don't have a problem with corporations earning an honest profit. The problem is the way this country (USA) has allowed corporations to take over the gov't. Take a look at who is getting what from this "economic stimulus package". The largest corporate donors are getting the lion's share of this cash, all out of the pockets of real people who will only get about 10% of the "stimulus".
This was supposed to be a gov't "of the people,for the people, and by the people", not corporations.
To clean up this gov't, all political contributions by corp's should be illegal. Then perhaps the politicians would get the dollars out of their ears and hear the rest of us.

Niteshift

I don't suppose it matters to you that "the people" can freely purchase stock in any of those companies and therefore become part owners. Nah, of course it won't. Why let reality intrude.

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