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DadaOrwell

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New Hampshire House votes to defy Fed ID plan
March 12, 2006

Libertarians are celebrating after the New Hampshire House of Representatives voted 270-84 to refuse cooperation
with the hated "Real ID" act. Real ID is a Federal mandate which attempts to force states into a standardized drivers license system at taxpayer expense. Freedom advocates argue it would be at the expense of privacy as well, giving the Feds too much power along the way. Federal officials have said it would help them track terrorists and criminals.

"Give me liberty or give me death," said State Rep Neal Kurk, speaking in favor of the bill on the House floor. The chamber roared with applause.

House Bill 1582 forbids all state agencies from participation in Real ID mandates, and asserts that Real ID "is contrary and repugnant to Articles 1 through 10 of the New Hampshire constitution..."

The lopsided anti-Federal vote was a shock even to proponents of the bill. Real ID passed the U.S. Senate 100-0 last year and generated little debate. But as states like New Hampshire have taken a closer look at what it will require of them, liberty activists and local government officials have been teaming up to draw a line in the sand between Washington and their own states.

New Hampshire in particular has become increasingly restive since 2003, when it became a migratory destination for "Free Staters," libertarian activists who move into the state to fight for freedom.

HB 1582 next goes to the New Hampshire Senate; if it passes there it will have to be signed by the Governor. In the meantime, Federal pressure will likely mount in opposition to this bill.

video of Representative Kurk's speech:
http://freestateblogs.net/node/306

Bill text:
http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=3161.0

Boston Globe article:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new...vil_liberties/

Information for those wishing to migrate (escape!) to New Hampshire:

www.FreeStateProject.org

 

chronic2

All the feds have to do is tell them to go along with the program or lose federal highway aid. And what's wrong with a federal ID card? There really needs to be a standardized form of ID in place. This would go a long way towards fighting the illegal immigration problem. That and having some serious fines going towards people who employ illegal immigrants.

Higher Logic

What's wrong with the National ID card? Check out our previous discussion on the card, which would be equipped with RFID chips.



And to combatting terrorism and illegal immigrants...

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chronic2

Having an ID card doesn't cause you to lose one freedom. I can't think of one reason why someone who is living a law abiding life would be threatened by an ID card with a chip in it. I can think of dozens of reasons why criminals don't want it or terrorists. But, if you're Joe Dirt, who goes to work everyday and minds his own business and stays clear of the dark side then this is a nonissue.
But , if you're a terrorist, or career criminal, or just all around bad guy then you got reason to be scared. Society doesn't want you and they've made special places just for you to live out your troubled life. Hopefully, psycho-surgery will be able to determine where the criminal element lies in your brain and excise it.

DadaOrwell

chronic wrote:

<<Having an ID card doesn't cause you to lose one freedom>>

ok guys you've changed my mind. Natl ID card would be great so Mr. Bush can track pot smokers better and give them those oh so rational manditory minimum 20 year sentences.

 

Buzzby

How about a little thing called "privacy"? The same tired argument has been used to promote unwarranted searches and wire taps, surveillance on where you spend your money and what you read.

Being involved in crime is not the only reason people desire privacy. Some of us believe that it's a basic right. While the Bill of Rights does not specifically mention privacy, the United States Supreme Court has made rulings stating that's what the Fourth Amendment implies. Roe v. Wade is the most famous one.

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chronic2

We DO have an immigration problem as well as a war on terror going on (remember 9/11). No, it won't solve all the problems with the above issues but will help in the fight.

TheNewGuy

Hahaha! Yeah, I remember 9/11, the best day in united states history from the Bush Administration's point of view. I can't wait until the government mandates the installation of thought monitoring chips in all newborns...

All because of "terrorism". Isn't the government terrorizing the public by watching them 24/7?

But I guess I have nothing to worry about because "I have nothing to hide". Screw freedom of privacy, that right is only for carreer criminals

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Buzzby

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin

chronic2

Which freedom, guarenteed by the Constitution, is that one?

Not a single liberty is in jeopardy under a national ID system. The government has a right and a responsibility to know who its citizens are. Terrorists and criminals should not be allowed to hide in our ranks. A national ID system would go a long way towards thwarting dangerous elements in society.