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Greenman

I got to say GotGods, it takes balls to admit when your wrong. I admire you for that.


If we stopped 100% of the marijuana coming in from the borders with a magic wand, all that would happen (in my opinion) is place a financial insentive for America's cultivatiors to kick up production. It would slow the supply I think temporarily at best, causing prices to increase. Depending on your location an your normal sorce of supply it may increase a little, or tripple. But eventually there will be a balance and a lowering of prices as growers become more competitive to get rid of their excess (the more they have when they are caught, the worst the penalty) in a couple of years.

We would probably see assualts on our constitutional rights increase dramatically as the "ever-vigilant" drug warriors would want more and more power to invade our privacy to "catch the drug dealing scum".

It is probably a good thing that the border people are as ineffecient as they are. As it stands currently, the vast majority of marijuana consumed in the united states comes from outside of the united states, and catching cultivators is not as high a priority as catching smugglers. But as soon as the smugglers are stopped, that is where the priority is going to go. And all hell will break loose.

Peace

 

Stephanie S.

Thanks for making my points, Green And I didn't even have to lift a finger!

Like I said, regulation, not prohibition. This would save money and more importantly lives...

peace

suede

This is the best thread I've read all week.!You two sure know how to bring home the bacon.!!B.suede

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Joshua Freedom

Right on Steph, you're asking the right questions. And Carlin was pretty spot-on in his observation there. There's a lot of related material in the first link from my convo "ÇÌÂ Manuals - know your enemy" in Contemporary Thought. The nature of profit and war, and lots of psychological reasoning. Oh heck, I'll just paste it here too: Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars - http://users.netonecom.net/~gwood/TL...w4qw/sw4qw.htm

KWhite

Wow.what a can of worms.
Sounds like fun.
First of, I heartily agree with StonedStephanie.
In response to the LEO question, Stephanie places them as soldiers.
Having been a soldier for most of My adult life, a bit of the psychology involved is known to me.
first we dehumanize the enemy, this makes it easier for the line soldier to get after his business, the elimination of said enemy, he or she even sees a moral rectitude in this elimination.
It makes things much easier.
the dehumanization of pot smokers has been going on as long as I can remember.
This does not necessarily make the line soldiers bad people, nor gullible, propaganda is a powerful tool.
The trend toward appointing former generals as Drug Czars shows the thinking behind this.
Who makes money?
Urinalysis test companies, police forces (grants etc.) prisons private and public, etc. ad nauseam.
GotGod.
I think even your corrected assumption is false.
The prohibition does not lessen the dangers of illicit drugs, it enhances it.
my view goes back to a time when PCP was the evil demon drug.
meth was unknown, the hardest speed was Canadian white cross.
successful interdiction efforts bring about new drugs on what seems a daily basis.
many of these have the potential for a quick profit, but the developers of these are less and less scrupulous.
where a market exists, trade will flourish.
I personally, and this is only my way, educate my children about drugs, I have told them, if you get the urge, come home, we will talk about it.
so far it seems to work, my oldest is 15 now, and has yet to use drugs.
she knows, my viewpoints.
war as war is a terrible thing, more so when only one side has the weapons.
in that case it is no longer a war.
it is enforced slavery.
as far as interdiction goes, it will not wash, mainly for the reasons stated above.
The folks making money from ILLEGAL drugs, are not stupid, and will always find new ways to counteract the interdiction threat.
GotGod I recommend teaching the children the true ups and downs of drugs, reinforcing the mature mind rule, and stopping the lies to them
the next generation of users and LEO's are our children.
teach them now, and perhaps they will end the war if we are not successful
Be well
Kelly

 

Crow

I still want to say a few things.

Greenman, you make many good points and i like what you have to say
also, GotGods, when i was reading Green's post, i was expecting you to post back with some shallow stab at green...however you admitted that he was right and that was cool...

I have one more point to make. Many deaths caused by drugs are a direct result of the WoD. Drugs bought on the street are more often then not very impure. People cut drugs, or substitute them with other similar, but cheaper and more dangerous drugs. One example of this is recently, many "ecstacy" pills were found containing PMA as a substitue for MDMA. Since the PMA was in higher than safe doses in the pills, more than 8 deaths so far have occured. PMA causes a sudden rise in blood pressure, body temperature, and blood temperature. this can result in death.

If drugs were not illegal, but were controlled and regulated by the government, this and many other drug related deaths would never happen.

Greenman

Exactly, because there would be legal restrictions on what you can use for "filler", as well as labeling laws about having to list the ingredients. The end result will be a more informed end user, reguardless of the drug, and better decisions can be made because better information is available to the consumer.

They could not sell you something that is less pure than what they claim it is, if they do, you can file suit against them in court. Where as the way things are now, you have to stop doing buisness with him, accept that you are getting jipped, or do something to get even, which is where the increase in violent crime comes in.

Don't forget about burglary's, thefts, muggings and related crimes due to people having to steal to pay the inflated prices of the drugs. This is a direct result of the War on Drugs. The harsher the penalties, the higher the prices to justify the risk, and the more crimes committed to pay the inflated prices. Laws of supply and demand work just the same in an illegal market as they do in a legal one. Where there is demand, there will be supply.

Peace.

Crow

Another thing that bugs me:

On Rx or OTC medication, under drug-interaction cautions, they only list other Rx or OTC drugs that you shouldn't take with it. I'm always afraid that i could have some adverse reaction to a combonation of Rx/OTC and illegal drugs. I guess, if drugs were legal, then the now illegal drugs would also be listed under the warnings.

TomServo

There are the obvious people who make money such as the drug testing companies and the politicians, but maybe there are other people too. Im sure you have heard of secret societies like the Freemasons and Skull and Bones, and some other one that doesnt have a name (a whole bunch of big important people meet annualy). Do you think they might have something to do with it? Im not sure.

I dont think that money is the only driving force behind the war on some drugs. Theres also the fact that the government never wants to admit that they made a mistake. I just read on these boards that some politicians still think the Vietnam War wasnt a failure.

About the LEO's, I will never like a cop because, like I said on the old boards, you need to decide that you believe in the laws that you enforce.

smokin

Legalization or even decriminalization would bring at least one and maybe two industries to their collective knees. The one not yet mentioned is the alcohol industry, direct competitor of marijuana and derivatives. Also gigantic donater to hard core anti drug congresspersons in the name of the war on drugs.

The Pharmacutical insustry also makes tens of Billion$ of dollars selling various pateneted and unpatented pain killing, mind altering, endorphine producing drugs at hundreds if not THOUSANDS of times the cost of producing them(sound familiar?). My own three year Zoloft script dried up a couple of years ago when the insurance went with the job.
I have found far better relief growing and smoking my own since then with the ancillary benefit of not having to drive an hour away to a shi!ty part of town to wait in my car for another hour to score a questionable bag of pot at a mind boggeling price.



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